Mercedes-Benz Shooting Break Concept (will be produced)
04-20-10, 09:41 AM
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Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous.
If this was a Lexus EVERYONE here would be fapping over it, calling it revolutionary and stuff. This is a gorgeous car, with a powerful, confident front end, dynamic sides and a cohesive, logical rear end, and in normal CLS sedan form it will be even more so. Can't wait.
If this was a Lexus EVERYONE here would be fapping over it, calling it revolutionary and stuff. This is a gorgeous car, with a powerful, confident front end, dynamic sides and a cohesive, logical rear end, and in normal CLS sedan form it will be even more so. Can't wait.
04-20-10, 09:52 AM
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Wait, this has a 3.5L V6 turbo, yet only achieves 306 HP and 273 lb-ft torque? This is a failure IMHO. Much of the competition achieves as much or more power from naturally aspirated V6 engines.
If this an upcoming Benz engine, it will already be a step behind the competition by the time it comes out.
As for the styling, the front is decent, the side profile is decent, and I like the rims. The rear however is hideous
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Overall the exterior lacks cohesiveness and does not look classy at all.
If this is the new styling direction for Benz, it's very disappointing.
Benz was starting to impress with some of their designs in the past few years, and now they go backwards again in design.
The C-Class, E-Class, GLK all look very German and have unique styling that gives each vehicle tons of presence and a strong, classy look.
This just looks like a Hyundai.
I hope the production exterior looks better than that.
The interior is pretty nice, interested to see what the production interior will look like.
If this an upcoming Benz engine, it will already be a step behind the competition by the time it comes out.
As for the styling, the front is decent, the side profile is decent, and I like the rims. The rear however is hideous
.Overall the exterior lacks cohesiveness and does not look classy at all.
If this is the new styling direction for Benz, it's very disappointing.
Benz was starting to impress with some of their designs in the past few years, and now they go backwards again in design.
The C-Class, E-Class, GLK all look very German and have unique styling that gives each vehicle tons of presence and a strong, classy look.
This just looks like a Hyundai
.I hope the production exterior looks better than that.
The interior is pretty nice, interested to see what the production interior will look like.
since when looking like hyundai is a bad thing? Sonata schooled every competition in a 'styling' department in all comparison tests.
04-20-10, 09:58 AM
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Most dealers/repair shop charge hourly for labor. MB/Lex/BMW hourly labor rate is usually between 120-150 per hour, so if it takes an hour to remove all the plastic to do any repair, the owner will pick up the cost.
Also, many of us like to work on our own cars, and all that plastic just make it much more difficult to get to anything.
Also, many of us like to work on our own cars, and all that plastic just make it much more difficult to get to anything.
) .Don't get me wrong, I love working on my cars too, but fortunately, the hood is not opened on a monthly basis
04-20-10, 10:47 AM
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Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous.
If this was a Lexus EVERYONE here would be fapping over it, calling it revolutionary and stuff. This is a gorgeous car, with a powerful, confident front end, dynamic sides and a cohesive, logical rear end, and in normal CLS sedan form it will be even more so. Can't wait.
If this was a Lexus EVERYONE here would be fapping over it, calling it revolutionary and stuff. This is a gorgeous car, with a powerful, confident front end, dynamic sides and a cohesive, logical rear end, and in normal CLS sedan form it will be even more so. Can't wait.
So 306-horsepower are "underwhelming" these days? I don't see how the horsepower output of an engine means "it is behind the competition". Horsepower output of any particular engine has to be optimized for performance, fuel economy and emissions. We know nothing about how this thing performs, but it's safe to say that it is a fast car, relatively fuel efficient and also has a low emissions rating.
How much more power does one need anyway? Even with this much power any normal car will be plenty fast. Also, keep in mind that this might be just one power setting of the new motor. The same engine might be offered in say three different power variants beginning with perhaps under 300-hp, 306-hp and maybe 350-hp. This is speculation on my part, though.
Turbocharging increases the overall efficiency of a motor. With the current market situation fuel economy is becoming far more important than raw performance. I'll say it again: 306-horsepower are more than sufficient for any car.
How much more power does one need anyway? Even with this much power any normal car will be plenty fast. Also, keep in mind that this might be just one power setting of the new motor. The same engine might be offered in say three different power variants beginning with perhaps under 300-hp, 306-hp and maybe 350-hp. This is speculation on my part, though.
Turbocharging increases the overall efficiency of a motor. With the current market situation fuel economy is becoming far more important than raw performance. I'll say it again: 306-horsepower are more than sufficient for any car.
Maybe it doesn't have DI?
I think Honda might have fired the idiot(s) who designed the Crossturd, and they went to work for MB.
Well the point is that other manufacturers achiever more output without turbo, and significantly more with turbos. However, I think this 306/273 rating is just incorrect, or maybe it's the molested European version of the engine. I'm sure the output for US version of the engine will be much greater.
Thats just not true. Turbocharging increases performance, but hurts efficiency and emissions, and also drives up the costs of maintenance, reduces reliability, and makes repairs that much more complex and expensive.
04-20-10, 02:14 PM
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04-20-10, 02:27 PM
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This is about the Shooting break, not about a thread to find any thing to bicker about Hyundai.
Your response is off topic, not worth refuting and you are lucky I don't delete it.
04-20-10, 02:55 PM
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Well the point is that other manufacturers achiever more output without turbo, and significantly more with turbos. However, I think this 306/273 rating is just incorrect, or maybe it's the molested European version of the engine. I'm sure the output for US version of the engine will be much greater.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The engineers who worked on this engine aren't incompetent. Squeezing out more than 306-horsepower isn't a problem. I suspect the engine was optimized for a particular criteria (refinement, fuel economy etc.) and massive horsepower wasn't one of those criteria. Those 306-horsepower were simply deemed adequate by the engineering staff at Mercedes, I suspect. Besides, 306-horsepower is a lot.
There's an article in this months Auto Motor und Sport about this. I can scan it if you wish. The article makes it clear that many European manufacturers are looking to smaller displacement engines with turbocharging as a means of generating peppy performance and a lower fuel consumption.
04-20-10, 02:59 PM
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The fact this turbocharged V6 "only" produces 306-horsepower tells us what?
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The engineers who worked on this engine aren't incompetent. Squeezing out more than 306-horsepower isn't a problem. I suspect the engine was optimized for a particular criteria (refinement, fuel economy etc.) and massive horsepower wasn't one of those criteria. Those 306-horsepower were simply deemed adequate by the engineering staff at Mercedes, I suspect. Besides, 306-horsepower is a lot.
Turbocharging improves the efficiency of an engine, especially in the way it is being used today. It improves the performance (horsepower) and thus reduces fuel consumption and emissions.
There's an article in this months Auto Motor und Sport about this. I can scan it if you wish. The article makes it clear that many European manufacturers are looking to smaller displacement engines with turbocharging as a means of generating peppy performance and a lower fuel consumption.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
The engineers who worked on this engine aren't incompetent. Squeezing out more than 306-horsepower isn't a problem. I suspect the engine was optimized for a particular criteria (refinement, fuel economy etc.) and massive horsepower wasn't one of those criteria. Those 306-horsepower were simply deemed adequate by the engineering staff at Mercedes, I suspect. Besides, 306-horsepower is a lot.
Turbocharging improves the efficiency of an engine, especially in the way it is being used today. It improves the performance (horsepower) and thus reduces fuel consumption and emissions.
There's an article in this months Auto Motor und Sport about this. I can scan it if you wish. The article makes it clear that many European manufacturers are looking to smaller displacement engines with turbocharging as a means of generating peppy performance and a lower fuel consumption.
Again BMW made 300hp with a 3.0 turbo
Lexus made 306hp with a 3.5 without a turbo
Benz makes 306hp with a 3.5 AND a turbo? I think we all would have expected more.
That said we all know their AMG engines are no joke.
04-20-10, 03:02 PM
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And if I am honest, such a comparison is an extremely poor way of judging an engine. No offense. There are factors other than technical that have limited the output of this motor to 306-horsepower (a management decision perhaps?).
Mercedes doesn't have to prove anything in that regard since they're capable of building high performance engines with small engine capacities and high horsepower output (DTM, F1, Truck Racing etc.).
And - I suspect there might be a more powerful version of this engine in the future. Mercedes might use this same engine with different settings across the range. Perhaps we'll be seeing something like a 280-hp/306-hp and maybe even a 350-hp+ version. We don't know.
04-20-10, 03:13 PM
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This "performance/racing mentality" shouldn't apply to the standard cars Mercedes' builds, which are cruisers. They're comfortable and quick. They're not drag racers or raw performance machines. I don't know of anyone who takes an E350 unto the drag strip or race track. It's a car bought for safety, comfort, quality and prestige - not raw performance. That said, the performance of the standard E350 is seriously nothing to complain about. It's a quick car in its own right.
By the way, the engineers at MB could easily have squeezed out more power out of this new engine. They just didn't.
Just was expecting "more" that is all
04-20-10, 03:20 PM
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Some German sources are talking about an "E400", which could be a more powerful version of the turbocharged 306-hp 3.5-l V6 seen here. Or maybe it's a new smaller V8 (unlikely).
