Looking at a '11 Camry
06-24-10 | 02:31 PM
#31
kinda irrelevant, but ever hear about this website?
www.truecar.com
it'll help you bargain your way down to a better price, might not help you much since you said you can get it at invoice, but you never know.
www.truecar.com
it'll help you bargain your way down to a better price, might not help you much since you said you can get it at invoice, but you never know.
That's the one I use.
Even has a table click that shows how much the manufacturer to dealer $$$ is if there's one.None on the '11 Camry but a $2K on a '10.
Great site.Much better than Edmunds,IMO.
06-24-10 | 02:31 PM
#32
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kinda irrelevant, but ever hear about this website?
www.truecar.com
it'll help you bargain your way down to a better price, might not help you much since you said you can get it at invoice, but you never know.
www.truecar.com
it'll help you bargain your way down to a better price, might not help you much since you said you can get it at invoice, but you never know.
06-24-10 | 04:49 PM
#33
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From: Georgia
I can't speak for the quality of the current generation Camry, since I have never rode in one, but judging from my mother's 2004 Camry LE, I believe the quality issues began at least with the 5th generation (2002-2006). Issues like excesive steering wheel clunking, caused by a part allegedly designed by GM, lack luster interior fit and finish, peeling paint on the bumper, dash creeks, and plastic rear speaker covers that quickly disintegrate from exposure to sunlight. The plastic speaker cover issue has been extensively discussed on several other Camry forums as well as the clunky steering wheel issue. The automatic transmission also makes strange noises when shifting from park to drive. All of these issues surfaced with less than 35k miles on the car. The car does not feel as well put together as my old Japan made '89 V6.
06-25-10 | 04:57 AM
#34
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This is VERY important.....and there's a reason why I bring it up. Did you check the tire pressures before you test-drove the car? Tire PSIs, on most new vehicles, are deliberately pumped up, on the transporter, to 40 PSI or more (even 50 in some cases) when they leave the factory enroute to the dealership. That is done to prevent the wheels, through soft tires, from contacting the truck or train floor when the transporter rocks up and down. The PDI (Pre-Delivery-Inspection) guys at the dealership, when the vehicles are received, are supposed to bleed the tires back down to factory-recommended pressures (which are usually between 30 and 35 PSI...sometimes a little higher). Sometimes they do, but, more often than not, they don't. They SAY they do, but they don't. I've learned NEVER to review or test-drive a new vehicle on the lot without a tire PSI check....this has resulted in a lot of red-faced, embarassed salespeople. Tires with PSIs above factory recomendations (especially at 40 PSI or more) will give exactly the kind of rough, noisy ride you mention, and quicker-than-normal steering response.
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This is VERY important.....and there's a reason why I bring it up. Did you check the tire pressures before you test-drove the car? Tire PSIs, on most new vehicles, are deliberately pumped up, on the transporter, to 40 PSI or more (even 50 in some cases) when they leave the factory enroute to the dealership. That is done to prevent the wheels, through soft tires, from contacting the truck or train floor when the transporter rocks up and down. The PDI (Pre-Delivery-Inspection) guys at the dealership, when the vehicles are received, are supposed to bleed the tires back down to factory-recommended pressures (which are usually between 30 and 35 PSI...sometimes a little higher). Sometimes they do, but, more often than not, they don't. They SAY they do, but they don't. I've learned NEVER to review or test-drive a new vehicle on the lot without a tire PSI check....this has resulted in a lot of red-faced, embarassed salespeople. Tires with PSIs above factory recomendations (especially at 40 PSI or more) will give exactly the kind of rough, noisy ride you mention, and quicker-than-normal steering response.
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I jhust did the adjustment before the wife goes to work.
Tires were at 38,39.5,40 and 40.5.
The promo is still on but isn't much.
A couple of oil changes and rotations.
06-25-10 | 07:12 AM
#36
Thanks.
Nice ride and no rattles or creaks so far.
Peppy for a I4.
Haven't driven yet without the average 40 lb tire pressure the car was delivered with.Should be even smoother at my adjusted 32 lbs.
I knew what the car was like.I had an '07 XLE that met a deer causing big damage so I dumped it and didn't mind because the '07 had issues like creaks and rattles,not so hot fit and finish mostly in the interior but on the plus side it didn't have the v6 trans issue.
Nice ride and no rattles or creaks so far.
Peppy for a I4.
Haven't driven yet without the average 40 lb tire pressure the car was delivered with.Should be even smoother at my adjusted 32 lbs.
I knew what the car was like.I had an '07 XLE that met a deer causing big damage so I dumped it and didn't mind because the '07 had issues like creaks and rattles,not so hot fit and finish mostly in the interior but on the plus side it didn't have the v6 trans issue.
Last edited by Joeb427; 06-25-10 at 07:15 AM.
06-25-10 | 08:46 AM
#37
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Thanks.
Nice ride and no rattles or creaks so far.
Peppy for a I4.
Haven't driven yet without the average 40 lb tire pressure the car was delivered with.Should be even smoother at my adjusted 32 lbs.
I knew what the car was like.I had an '07 XLE that met a deer causing big damage so I dumped it and didn't mind because the '07 had issues like creaks and rattles,not so hot fit and finish mostly in the interior but on the plus side it didn't have the v6 trans issue.
Nice ride and no rattles or creaks so far.
Peppy for a I4.
Haven't driven yet without the average 40 lb tire pressure the car was delivered with.Should be even smoother at my adjusted 32 lbs.
I knew what the car was like.I had an '07 XLE that met a deer causing big damage so I dumped it and didn't mind because the '07 had issues like creaks and rattles,not so hot fit and finish mostly in the interior but on the plus side it didn't have the v6 trans issue.
My previous car was delivered with around 40 psi in all tires vs. the mfgr recommended 30 psi on the door jamb label. I took it back and had them correct it (could have done it myself but IMO it shouldn't have been delivered that way).
The new car came with 36 psi from the dealer, door jamb says 30 psi and I like it at 32 psi.
06-25-10 | 08:55 AM
#38
Joe, congrats on the new car. I hope you enjoy it.
My previous car was delivered with around 40 psi in all tires vs. the mfgr recommended 30 psi on the door jamb label. I took it back and had them correct it (could have done it myself but IMO it shouldn't have been delivered that way).
The new car came with 36 psi from the dealer, door jamb says 30 psi and I like it at 32 psi.
My previous car was delivered with around 40 psi in all tires vs. the mfgr recommended 30 psi on the door jamb label. I took it back and had them correct it (could have done it myself but IMO it shouldn't have been delivered that way).
The new car came with 36 psi from the dealer, door jamb says 30 psi and I like it at 32 psi.
My RX was delivered with over inflated tires too.Just about every vehicle delivered is.I always forget to tall them to adjust to the correct pressure.
Like you said,easy to make the adjustment but the vehicle should be delivered with the correct pressure.
06-25-10 | 09:03 AM
#39
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Camry is a nice vanilla sedan, but I think the quality definitely starting failing during the previous gen. Camry. I sat in a rental recently and it was hard plastic all over and honestly... Hyundai quality (which is not too bad) more than best-time Toyota quality. The Camry is definitely living off it's reputation at this point and reputation will only last so long.
06-25-10 | 09:11 AM
#40
Camry is a nice vanilla sedan, but I think the quality definitely starting failing during the previous gen. Camry. I sat in a rental recently and it was hard plastic all over and honestly... Hyundai quality (which is not too bad) more than best-time Toyota quality. The Camry is definitely living off it's reputation at this point and reputation will only last so long.
The '12 is a new generation and if the '11 has problems,people will feel that Toyota couldn't get a 6 year design right,how can a new generation vehicle be without issues?
As far as the plastics..it's only an LE and the interior and exterior is bland so the plastics issue doesn't bother me.
The smooth and quiet ride quality is the best in it's class and that's why we bought it.
Along with it being somewhat inexpensive so I'll have no OCD when it comes to parking,detailing etc.
Last edited by Joeb427; 06-25-10 at 09:29 AM.
06-25-10 | 02:31 PM
#41
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From: California
I would hit the Camry w/o hesitation. It's a thoroughly proven car and you cannot go wrong. Just keep in mind the model is old and should be redesigned for the 2012 model year (likely during early or mid-2011). So you'd have your new car for one year and then be seeing all these improvements on someone else's Camry in a short time. May not bother you, but that would be something that would bother me. Also, you should be able to get the Camry for well under invoice. The car has major incentives ontop of what you bargain for. Emailing several local L.A. dealers shows all will go under invoice. Do not pad the pockets of a dealer.
06-25-10 | 03:00 PM
#43
I would hit the Camry w/o hesitation. It's a thoroughly proven car and you cannot go wrong. Just keep in mind the model is old and should be redesigned for the 2012 model year (likely during early or mid-2011). So you'd have your new car for one year and then be seeing all these improvements on someone else's Camry in a short time. May not bother you, but that would be something that would bother me. Also, you should be able to get the Camry for well under invoice. The car has major incentives ontop of what you bargain for. Emailing several local L.A. dealers shows all will go under invoice. Do not pad the pockets of a dealer.
I paid invoice and getting a remote start installed for half price at $250.
I'm happy with numbers.
