CAR & DRIVER Magazine is doing a 100,000 Hyundai Genesis review
07-07-10, 12:33 PM
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A lot of vehicles, even with good care, can't go to 200K. 150K is considered the average design life of a number of new vehicles today, although some do go 200K and even 300K. A number of Hondas and Toyotas, traditionally, have done better than the average vehicle. Toyota drivetrains, in particular, have been durable.......especially with the older pickups.
Here's a Yaris do 400,000 miles with no repairs other than a shot alternator. Looks and drives brand new. This car's good for 600+K.
http://www.youtube.com/user/triniper.../0/YnTlNLz9Iqc
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07-07-10, 01:55 PM
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the VAST majority of people sell cars before 100k. while 100k is no 'record breaking' odometer reading, it's plenty of miles to see if a car is reliable or not. MOST cars have SOMETHING happen during 4 rotations of the planet! even if the genesis is just 'average' that will still be great news for them in terms of credibility.
For a car magazine to waste it's resources on even longer (over 100K) long-term tests would be of little use to a vast majority of its readers.
07-07-10, 02:14 PM
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There is another way to look at it. 100k is NOTHING in a luxury vehicle today. There have been many examples of magazines going past the 40k period. I honestly don't expect much to fail on the Genesis during its first 100k.
Here is impressive;
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evol...urcielago.html
122,000 miles in a Lamborghini Murcielago. It was bought with 64 on the odometer. That is impressive.
Its great that they are doing a 100k review on the Genesis but if they wanted to really blow me away, 200k would have been special.
Here is impressive;
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evol...urcielago.html
122,000 miles in a Lamborghini Murcielago. It was bought with 64 on the odometer. That is impressive.
Its great that they are doing a 100k review on the Genesis but if they wanted to really blow me away, 200k would have been special.
I see your point, but 122k miles is only impressive because its a Lamborghini. The 22k extra miles is relatively small for a common luxury sedan
07-07-10, 02:18 PM
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I'll have to disagree with you a bit on typical life span. While this may be true if the car is barely driven and time takes it's toll, 150K is nothing for today's cars. I've even seen abused Chrysler products with close to 200K traded in at the dealer I work at (Intrepid & Pacifica). And chysler is the worst.
07-07-10, 02:47 PM
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200K / 150K it's all speculation and guestimates, coming from armchair internet engineers. Pick a number and enjoy.
btw topic per OP was: 100k Hyundai Genesis review
btw topic per OP was: 100k Hyundai Genesis review
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07-07-10, 02:58 PM
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A 100k Long Term Test is more than sufficient for the vast majority of car buyers - In all segments and especially this one.
07-07-10, 04:02 PM
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07-07-10, 04:11 PM
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Which brings up a point not really discussed in this thread. That a majority of cars reach high mileage with their second or third owners and perhaps beyond.
Most people who buy new cars either get bored with the car long before the car dies, or of course are in positions to buy new cars every 3-5 years.
Point is, is that many among a luxury car forum such as this will find owning a high mileage car unusual. However, a large portion of the population actually goes to a dealer and excitedly purchases a car that may already have well over 100K on it. Notice especially all the teens out there with their 20+ year old Civics. To them, it's everything. And they run just fine.
One other point. Mileage is relative. One who drives 100+ miles a day highway, will have their car running mostly trouble free well past 100K. One who lives in the city and works 5 minutes from home, will find their car deteriorate far sooner than the highway cruiser.
07-07-10, 07:41 PM
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07-07-10, 07:45 PM
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A good point. Highway miles, especially on uncluttered Interstates, are far less stressful on transmission and brakes than stop-and-go driving. And the engine stays hot enough, long enough, to get rid of many of the impurities in the oil.
07-07-10, 09:16 PM
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when was the last time you heard of an S class owner bragging that his 12 yr old benz finally broke 200k..........and with no issues? you don't. ( the guy who broke a million miles is obviously not the norm)
07-08-10, 07:53 AM
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That is such a meaningless guess that doesn't equal the real engineering criteria that's actually used. Real engineers don't design cars around sweeping internet hearsay and generalizations.
Who knows, who cares, given the topic presented by the OP orginally, lol (150K vs 200K)
btw topic per OP was: 100k Hyundai Genesis review
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07-09-10, 06:08 AM
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Any car can go well over 100k. That's not what C&D is trying to do, here. They want to know how reliable those 100k miles will be. Obviously the engine in the Genesis won't be "worn out" after 100k. One hundred thousand miles is plenty in determining long term reliability. They're not trying to determine life expectancy, here.
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