(updated) NHTSA: No evidence of Toyota electronics problems
#91
I think the public knows that Toyota is still up there in reliablity. Government just blow this out of proportion My family members and in-laws are looking for cars and I have no issue recommmending Toyota to them. They went ahead and recently bought a 2010 Camry and my in-law bought an 2011 Siena.
And if I need another car I would not hesitate to buy another Lexus or a toyota.
And if I need another car I would not hesitate to buy another Lexus or a toyota.
#92
Super Moderator
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As with enough past instances of "unintended acceleration", once again, points back to driver error. I can just see a future nav screen initialization procedure instructing the driver where the gas and brake pedals are then touching an <acceptance> before the car starts.
#94
The study preliminary findings have been released:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
U.S. Study Indicates Driver Error in Most Toyota Crashes
By MIKE RAMSEY And JOSH MITCHELL
A government safety examination of Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in crashes attributed to sudden acceleration so far has not yielded evidence of flaws in Toyotas while pointing instead to driver error.
Congressional staff members were briefed on the study Tuesday in Washington. The preliminary report examined 58 electronic recording devices similar to black boxes in airplanes that can provide information about what was happening with a car when it crashed.
The report, which analyzed accidents for which the driver made an allegation of unintended acceleration, draws no conclusions about the data, other than they don't point to a flaw in Toyota vehicles.
Of the devices analyzed, 35 showed that at the moment of impact, the driver hadn't depressed the brake pedal at all. Fourteen more showed partial braking, while nine showed the brake depressed at the "last second" before the crash.
There were a handful of other results where the brake was pressed early and let go, or in which both the gas and brake pedals were pressed at the same time. There also was one case of pedal entrapment by a floor mat.
In five cases, the electronic recording device failed to work.
While the agency didn't make conclusions about the results, the evidence points to a preponderance of cases where people who claimed unintended acceleration were pressing the wrong pedal. That is the same finding reported last month by The Wall Street Journal and attributed to a person familiar with the study.
The study is ongoing and both the National Academy of Sciences and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are evaluating the software and mechanical systems of Toyota vehicles, as well as their susceptibility to electromagnetic interference.
Write to Josh Mitchell at joshua.mitchell@dowjones.com
By MIKE RAMSEY And JOSH MITCHELL
A government safety examination of Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in crashes attributed to sudden acceleration so far has not yielded evidence of flaws in Toyotas while pointing instead to driver error.
Congressional staff members were briefed on the study Tuesday in Washington. The preliminary report examined 58 electronic recording devices similar to black boxes in airplanes that can provide information about what was happening with a car when it crashed.
The report, which analyzed accidents for which the driver made an allegation of unintended acceleration, draws no conclusions about the data, other than they don't point to a flaw in Toyota vehicles.
Of the devices analyzed, 35 showed that at the moment of impact, the driver hadn't depressed the brake pedal at all. Fourteen more showed partial braking, while nine showed the brake depressed at the "last second" before the crash.
There were a handful of other results where the brake was pressed early and let go, or in which both the gas and brake pedals were pressed at the same time. There also was one case of pedal entrapment by a floor mat.
In five cases, the electronic recording device failed to work.
While the agency didn't make conclusions about the results, the evidence points to a preponderance of cases where people who claimed unintended acceleration were pressing the wrong pedal. That is the same finding reported last month by The Wall Street Journal and attributed to a person familiar with the study.
The study is ongoing and both the National Academy of Sciences and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration are evaluating the software and mechanical systems of Toyota vehicles, as well as their susceptibility to electromagnetic interference.
Write to Josh Mitchell at joshua.mitchell@dowjones.com
#96
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NHTSA: No evidence of Toyota electronics problems
http://detnews.com/article/20100810/...419/1148/rss25
http://detnews.com/article/20100810/...419/1148/rss25
David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -- An initial review by federal investigators has turned up no evidence of electronic failures in Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in suspected runaway acceleration cases.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration told members of Congress in a briefing today that human error was to blame in more than half of the 58 cases it reviewed -- since drivers failed to apply the brakes.
Trapped or sticky gas pedals were to blame in the remainder of accidents for which a cause was identified.
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The Japanese automaker has repeatedly insisted that electronics aren't to blame, and that mechanical problems or driver error are responsible for thousands of reports of unintended acceleration. The findings may bolster the company's argument.
"Reviewing event data recorders is one small part of (NHTSA's) effort to get to the bottom of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles," Transportation spokeswoman Olivia Alair said. "At this early period in the investigation, engineers have not identified any new safety defects in Toyotas other than sticking gas pedals or pedal entrapment."
NHTSA has reviewed data from 58 vehicle black boxes, known formally as event data recorders.
The research "so far has not led to the identification of safety defects other than sticking gas pedals or pedal entrapment," according to NHTSA's report to Congress, obtained by The Detroit News.
But NHTSA emphasized that the probe is ongoing -- along with help from NASA -- and investigators "are continuing to study whether there are potential electronic or software defects in these vehicles."
Of the 58 cases studied, 35 event recorders showed no brake was applied -- a sign the driver hit the wrong pedal.
Partial braking was noted in 14 cases: Brakes were applied late in the crash sequence in nine cases; early in three; and mid-crash in two.
Pedal entrapment was involved in one incident; and in one case, the brakes and gas pedal both were depressed.
Data was inconclusive in one case; there was no data in five; and data from a separate incident was presented in one case.
Toyota said in a statement that NHTSA's results backed its findings.
Toyota's "own vehicle evaluations have confirmed that the remedies it developed for sticking accelerator pedal and potential accelerator pedal entrapment by an unsecured or incompatible floor mat are effective," the company said.
Toyota emphasized that after "more than 4,000 on-site vehicle inspections, in no case have we found electronic throttle controls to be a cause of unintended acceleration."
Toyota has recalled more than 8.5 million vehicles worldwide, including 6 million in the United States, for sudden acceleration issues. NHTSA has received more than 3,000 complaints since 2000 alleging more than 90 deaths linked to sudden acceleration complaints involving Toyotas.
The Japanese automaker paid a record $16.4 million fine over its delay in recalling 2.3 million vehicles for sticky pedal concerns. The problems have prompted Congress to consider legislation mandating sweeping reform of auto safety regulations.
The briefing of House Energy and Commerce Committee members was conducted by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and NHTSA Administrator David Strickland.
NHTSA also disclosed it is partnering with NASA in Auburn Hills in researching the issue. NHTSA and NASA are conducting vehicle tests at the Chrysler Group LLC Test Facility in Auburn Hills to determine whether electromagnetic interference may play a role in causing unintended acceleration.
NHTSA is using NASA engineers and experts in electromagnetic compatibility to study whether the electronic throttle control systems used in Toyota vehicles are susceptible to malfunctioning and can cause unintended acceleration. More than a dozen experts from NASA are assisting NHTSA.
As part of the research, vehicles are bombarded with electro-magnetic radiation at varying strengths within specially built chambers to determine whether that could produce unintended acceleration incidents.
NASA software experts in California are conducting a thorough examination of software in Toyota vehicles, looking for any flaws or vulnerabilities that can result in unintended acceleration.
In early April 2010, NHTSA obtained 10 event recorders from Toyota in order to allow agency investigators to review data.
NHTSA also noted that most Toyota models before 2007 were not equipped with recorders capable of storing pre-crash data.
Separately, NHTSA and the National Academy of Sciences are also conducting a broad review of unintended acceleration and its possible causes across the automotive industry.
NHTSA is also conducting tests on Toyota vehicles at its Vehicle Research and Test Center in Ohio to assess their braking, acceleration and other capabilities, and then looking at data from their electronic systems. This involves evaluating vehicles on a test track and in a laboratory environment.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100810/...#ixzz0wFVPZ9WI
Washington -- An initial review by federal investigators has turned up no evidence of electronic failures in Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in suspected runaway acceleration cases.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration told members of Congress in a briefing today that human error was to blame in more than half of the 58 cases it reviewed -- since drivers failed to apply the brakes.
Trapped or sticky gas pedals were to blame in the remainder of accidents for which a cause was identified.
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The Japanese automaker has repeatedly insisted that electronics aren't to blame, and that mechanical problems or driver error are responsible for thousands of reports of unintended acceleration. The findings may bolster the company's argument.
"Reviewing event data recorders is one small part of (NHTSA's) effort to get to the bottom of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles," Transportation spokeswoman Olivia Alair said. "At this early period in the investigation, engineers have not identified any new safety defects in Toyotas other than sticking gas pedals or pedal entrapment."
NHTSA has reviewed data from 58 vehicle black boxes, known formally as event data recorders.
The research "so far has not led to the identification of safety defects other than sticking gas pedals or pedal entrapment," according to NHTSA's report to Congress, obtained by The Detroit News.
But NHTSA emphasized that the probe is ongoing -- along with help from NASA -- and investigators "are continuing to study whether there are potential electronic or software defects in these vehicles."
Of the 58 cases studied, 35 event recorders showed no brake was applied -- a sign the driver hit the wrong pedal.
Partial braking was noted in 14 cases: Brakes were applied late in the crash sequence in nine cases; early in three; and mid-crash in two.
Pedal entrapment was involved in one incident; and in one case, the brakes and gas pedal both were depressed.
Data was inconclusive in one case; there was no data in five; and data from a separate incident was presented in one case.
Toyota said in a statement that NHTSA's results backed its findings.
Toyota's "own vehicle evaluations have confirmed that the remedies it developed for sticking accelerator pedal and potential accelerator pedal entrapment by an unsecured or incompatible floor mat are effective," the company said.
Toyota emphasized that after "more than 4,000 on-site vehicle inspections, in no case have we found electronic throttle controls to be a cause of unintended acceleration."
Toyota has recalled more than 8.5 million vehicles worldwide, including 6 million in the United States, for sudden acceleration issues. NHTSA has received more than 3,000 complaints since 2000 alleging more than 90 deaths linked to sudden acceleration complaints involving Toyotas.
The Japanese automaker paid a record $16.4 million fine over its delay in recalling 2.3 million vehicles for sticky pedal concerns. The problems have prompted Congress to consider legislation mandating sweeping reform of auto safety regulations.
The briefing of House Energy and Commerce Committee members was conducted by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and NHTSA Administrator David Strickland.
NHTSA also disclosed it is partnering with NASA in Auburn Hills in researching the issue. NHTSA and NASA are conducting vehicle tests at the Chrysler Group LLC Test Facility in Auburn Hills to determine whether electromagnetic interference may play a role in causing unintended acceleration.
NHTSA is using NASA engineers and experts in electromagnetic compatibility to study whether the electronic throttle control systems used in Toyota vehicles are susceptible to malfunctioning and can cause unintended acceleration. More than a dozen experts from NASA are assisting NHTSA.
As part of the research, vehicles are bombarded with electro-magnetic radiation at varying strengths within specially built chambers to determine whether that could produce unintended acceleration incidents.
NASA software experts in California are conducting a thorough examination of software in Toyota vehicles, looking for any flaws or vulnerabilities that can result in unintended acceleration.
In early April 2010, NHTSA obtained 10 event recorders from Toyota in order to allow agency investigators to review data.
NHTSA also noted that most Toyota models before 2007 were not equipped with recorders capable of storing pre-crash data.
Separately, NHTSA and the National Academy of Sciences are also conducting a broad review of unintended acceleration and its possible causes across the automotive industry.
NHTSA is also conducting tests on Toyota vehicles at its Vehicle Research and Test Center in Ohio to assess their braking, acceleration and other capabilities, and then looking at data from their electronic systems. This involves evaluating vehicles on a test track and in a laboratory environment.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100810/...#ixzz0wFVPZ9WI
#97
Lexus Test Driver
I said this from day one. Anytime you have a large group of anything, there will be higher numbers of bloopers. Since Toyota sells more cars/trucks, more mistakes with drivers are going to add up. It's simply a numbers and odds game. Toyota should have focussed more on this concept and defended their position.
Another example: Say you have a concert with 10,000 people attending. The odds automatically go up that you'll have more sick, fainting, and arrested people. If you have a concert with 1000 people attending, those numbers drop significantly. Same thing with hoards of people buying Toyotas. You increase your odds of people making mistakes. Why is this so hard to understand and why hasn't it been brought up?
Another example: Say you have a concert with 10,000 people attending. The odds automatically go up that you'll have more sick, fainting, and arrested people. If you have a concert with 1000 people attending, those numbers drop significantly. Same thing with hoards of people buying Toyotas. You increase your odds of people making mistakes. Why is this so hard to understand and why hasn't it been brought up?