I'ts not picking on it at all and maybe its your obsession with trying to defend/prove the 335 in every thread. Its a funny observation. I know there is no chip I was being sarcastic. I think its hilarious to see the opinion(s) about the 335 from some people, thats all.

There is also the fact not every gas station has diesel gas to offer to the consumer. 20 cents per gallon is nothing and it fluctuates.

Again its cool its offered but the price is ridiculous as you are ONLY getting gas savings and no performance benefits.

I agree here, it does. I don't care what people say about REal World 335 MPG, sorry but there are so many 335 owners with no credibility and I can't take it serious. I'm sure we will here some 60 MPG claims and its better than a Prius posts soon.

 

Got it..I just had a vague recollection about reading it being outrageous. Can one refill it by themselves, or is it a dealer-only service item?

 

Case in point.

328i: $33,150, 18/28 (6AT)
335d: $42,600, 23/36 (6AT)

528i: $44,550, 22/32 (8AT)

Wait until that 8 speed cause into the 328i.

 

20 cents per gallon is nothing?

It's quite nice not having to fill up as often. As performance, 425 lbs of tq. is nothing to scoff at. How do hybrids compare?

uhm ok.

 

You are correct that not every gas station carries diesel, but when you're getting 900 km per tank, you should be able to find one before you run out.

Fwiw, currently in my tourist town (they jack gas prices in the summer but less so for diesel)...I'm paying 92 cents per gallon less than for premium fuel.

I have never paid any less than 55 cents per gallon cheaper for diesel than premium since we've owned both of our diesels.

In my opinion, it really comes down to the type of driving you do. If I lived in the city, and did a stop and go commute, the RX450h would surely be in my garage. I do far more highway driving, probably 70/30, that has the diesel making more sense for us.

 

Hybrids have instantaneous torque due to the batteries. Performance hybrids have torque off the charts, there isn't any standard way to measure it though.

For example the active hybrid 7 has 516lbs of torque.

Another example is the GS 450h. The detuned V-6 has 267 lbs of torque.


FYI I am in no way shape or form saying hybrids are better than diesels. I like both.

 

Consider yourself lucky!

Diesel actually costs a bit MORE than premium gas throughout all of Chicago and the surrounding Illinois area.

 

You shouldn't compare the "real world" mileage of a hybrid, diesel or even just an average econocar to a performance car, even when they are driven by the same driver, along the same route. The thing is, people tend to to push performance cars pretty hard, which often results in poor mileage, but when they get a diesel/hybrid/econobox they tend to drive slower and make it a point to get better mileage.

With that being said, diesels and hybrids have their advantages, but they also have their disadvantages. For me, the disadvantages outweight the advantages, so I'm sticking with simple petrol motors. I might have a hybrid in my future if the 4GS-h kicks a lot of ***

 

If you guys only knew me.

Och - I don't try to conserve gas at all. 28mpg all day long. Lots of hills.

 

He would have had to average well over 29 to bring up the mpg by .4, though. Still, I agree with the lack of clarity in the writing.

 

I don't have an enormous amount of seat time in them, either, but from my test-drive experiences, I'd pick the 335i, hands-down, over the M3, for daily driving, especially the 335xi AWD model 9though both the 335 and M3, as new cars, are a little out of my price range). The 335i has what, IMO, is arguably the best ride/handling balance (even with the firmer Sport Package and 35-series tires), combined with the traditionally superb BMW steering, that I have yet encountered in a production sedan/coupe. It also beats the M3's torque rating.

On a track, though, the M3's higher-rev/higher-HP engine and stiffer suspension (uncomfortably stiff, IMO, on bumps) are obvious advantages, especially on a glass-smooth track surface.

 

I disagree on your ride quality comment,Mike.Much better ride quality than a 335 with sport suspension.
No run flats on the M3 and this from Edmunds...

" The EDC option provides three driver-selectable suspension settings (Comfort, Normal and Sport), but even in Normal, the M3 does an adequate job of soaking up bumps while providing world-class body control on back roads. Frankly, those who get the M3 without EDC will never miss it."

 

Mmarshal hasn't had seat time in a M3 with EDC yet he constantly says the car is incredibly stiff. I think there should be a disclaimer there because it's not always the case.

Like I've said before, I've been in a M3 with low profile tires (30), lowered on springs w/EDC and it rode better than my stock 335i/335d.

It is annoying to drive on the street though coming from either 335 due to it's gearing/torque. However once you get on the freeway, good lord the car is a beast. 3rd gear is simply superb. I have had a month of everyday driving with a M3 (switched with a friend).

 

Run flats kill ride qualilty too.
My 335i was great for performance.Quick but felt much faster than it actually was. Handling is very nice but the sport pkg ride is annoying over bumps and the pothole explosions were brutal.My NYC metro area roads aren't the best.
The non sports pkg and x-drive suspensions produce better ride quality while not taking too much away from the handling,IMO.
I found the test rides to be exhilerating but for me, the novelty wore off quick after a short while with that rough ride and pothole noise along with a few long starts for an upcoming fuel pump issue.
The 335d is a nice choice,though.It's a shame one must order the rough ride sports pkg to get those nice sports seats.