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Old 08-06-10, 11:25 AM
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Default Motortrend: the 335d might just be the best car on the road

Ahhh, time for a little D-smug.

A Motortrend journalist's short take on the 335d:


BMW 335d: Born Again into the Spark Plug-Free Light
Posted Today 07:30 AM by Jonny Lieberman


For the past several years, my attitude towards diesels has been, “If you want to haul 10,000 pounds of horse manure, awesome. Otherwise, get a gasoline-powered car if you enjoy driving.” Why did I feel this way? Well, first of all, diesel-milled heavy duty trucks are really fantastic. Especially in regards to their truckiness. In fact, burning oil makes them feel more truck-like than a higher-reving gas-powered motor does. Plus, the modern ones can haul 10,000 pounds of manure with ease.

But what about diesel-engined passenger cars? Surely I like them, right? Nope, hate 'em. They sound like trucks as they clatter near idle -- it just doesn’t sound sporty and I prefer sporty cars. Worst of all (keeping with the sporty theme), they have low redlines. Like 70s big block and you’re worried about valve-float low. The Audi A3 TDI tops out at less than 5000 rpm. That’s not sporty. Or fun. Yes, there’s some low-down, down home torque, but not nearly enough of it. At least that’s how I used to think.

Which cars were those? The aforementioned Audi A3 TDI and the Jetta TDI, both the four-door and wagon. I really didn’t like either of them. Actually, that’s not fair. I hated the Audi, but thought the Jetta TDI Wagon would make the perfect car for my wife. Why my wife? She feels cars should do two things well: haul around half of your possessions and get good mileage. When I revved the engine of a Bullitt Mustang for her to demonstrate how totally, insanely mega-ridiculously good it sounds, her response was, “Sounds wasteful.” The big, stuff-swallowing, 40-mpg Jetta Wagon is the perfect car. For her.

Look, I just thought diesel cars were boring. But hey, based off my admittedly small sample set, I don’t think I could have come to a different conclusion. How big of a man am I? I was wrong about diesels. Totally wrong.

One of my first inklings into just how wrong I was came when I had a conversation with Angus MacKenzie about the Jaguar XJ diesel he drove around jolly old England (read all about it here). He loved it. And not in the way that people love their Priuses; those guys love the idea of the Prius, the actual car is immaterial. Angus however genuinely loved the diesel XJ in a serious car guy way. The passion in his voice, the wild hand gestures, his wide eyes -- it was like he’d just driven a Shelby Cobra for the first time. The glimmer of revelation was there.

I just had my own revelatory diesel moment about two hours ago. It went something like this. I climbed into our long term 2009 BMW 335d for the first time. I noticed the average mileage was an indicated 29.0 mpg. I then drove 120 miles down to San Diego. My speed was somewhere between 80 and 85 mph. When I handed the fob to the valet, the 335d’s average mpg had risen to 29.4. I’m simply awed.

Not only was the mileage good enough to put a huge crack in the fundamental theory of hybrids, but the car itself was excellent. Its handling is as good, if not slightly better, than any other E92 3 Series. Torque is everywhere, instantly available to rock the 335d back on its haunches at the stab of the pedal. Sure, above 90 mph the low-revving turbodiesel runs out of gas (so to speak), but that just doesn’t matter. The BMW 335d is the best car I’ve driven in a very long time. In fact, the 335d might just be the best car on the road. Shame about that $50,000-plus sticker price.






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Old 08-06-10, 11:28 AM
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Agree 100%... it's a machine and flying WAY under the radar
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When I handed the fob to the valet, the 335d’s average mpg had risen to 29.4. I’m simply awed.
I love diesel a lot. Grew up with diesel turbo motors. I think 335d is simply amazing.

But what's so awed about getting 29.4 MPG on the freeway? my IS350 average 27MPG and I do 100MPH avg when I drive on the I5.
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When modern 6 cylinders (IS 350, G37, 335i) can return the same or better MPG on highway stints I just wouldn't buy a diesel, especially at a premium. If there was a more noticeable difference in the gas mileage I would consider it.

Hell, some of the ISFs have done 29-30MPG on a long stint like that. This article really doesn't convince me that the 335d is that magnificant of a car at all.
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335d with chip> Bugatti Veyron
335d with chip> M3 with 50k in mods
335d stock driving in reverse> GTR

People bish about the higher price of hybrids. What about this? Gas savings with no performance improvement for over $50,000 in a small car?

I like diesels, its brave that BMW brought this. The diesel BMW fapping is funny.
 
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People are getting real world 35-40mpg on the highway in the 335d.

I am averaging 28 mpg on the same routes as I was driving in my 335i. On the 335i I was getting around 18 mpg.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
335d with chip> Bugatti Veyron
335d with chip> M3 with 50k in mods
335d stock driving in reverse> GTR

People bish about the higher price of hybrids. What about this? Gas savings with no performance improvement for over $50,000 in a small car?

I like diesels, its brave that BMW brought this. The diesel BMW fapping is funny.
But X5 3.5D is so badass tho. To me, diesel X5 makes a lot more sense than the diesel 3 series. They should bring in 320d, and it may well be my next daily driver if they do.
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Originally Posted by OC 335i
People are getting real world 35-40mpg on the highway in the 335d.

I am averaging 28 mpg on the same routes as I was driving in my 335i. On the 335i I was getting around 18 mpg.
That's a nice improvement. Not to mention the crazy amount of TQ the car has.

I just have issue with how MT is writing the article. I mean 29 is nothing to brag about on the highway.

When we drove the LS down to socal, it averages 30MPG in a V8 gasoline car with 5 people and full loads. Now, that's something.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
335d with chip> Bugatti Veyron
335d with chip> M3 with 50k in mods
335d stock driving in reverse> GTR

I like diesels, its brave that BMW brought this. The diesel BMW fapping is funny.
It's kinda funny how obsessed you are picking on the 335.

What is more funny is almost no one is running a chip on the 335d in the U.S..
335d > 335i > IS350.
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Originally Posted by OC 335i
People are getting real world 35-40mpg on the highway in the 335d.

I am averaging 28 mpg on the same routes as I was driving in my 335i. On the 335i I was getting around 18 mpg.
Just to be clear, your 335i was making 18mpg in the city and the D is making 28?

How much did they each make on the highway?
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Originally Posted by STIG
That's a nice improvement. Not to mention the crazy amount of TQ the car has.

I just have issue with how MT is writing the article. I mean 29 is nothing to brag about on the highway.

When we drove the LS down to socal, it averages 30MPG in a V8 gasoline car with 5 people and full loads. Now, that's something.
Agreed. I am not saying there isn't some merit in the 335d, but the author's opinions seem really shortsighted for the declaration of "best car on the road".
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Originally Posted by OC 335i
It's kinda funny how obsessed you are picking on the 335.

What is more funny is almost no one is running a chip on the 335d in the U.S..
335d > 335i > IS350.
In my humble opinion, IS350 > M3. Sounds ridiculous and will probably generate a lot of hate but whatever. I think IS350 is the best car I've owned. No question. Sure M3 is faster, more involved driving, blah blah blah but there's something about IS350 as an overall package that I just love so much.

I am not sure how I would rank M3 against 335i because I don't have enough seat time in 335i.
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Other than the M,the only 3 Series I would buy.
Great car!
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Originally Posted by Shinobi-X
Just to be clear, your 335i was making 18mpg in the city and the D is making 28?

How much did they each make on the highway?
To clarify, I'm talking about the same routes here everyday to and from work. It is a good mix of both city and highway driving to and from work.

On one road trip I was averaging 36. I've made a few road trips to LA, but there's always been traffic so I can't take in those numbers.
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Originally Posted by STIG
In my humble opinion, IS350 > M3. Sounds ridiculous and will probably generate a lot of hate but whatever. I think IS350 is the best car I've owned. No question. Sure M3 is faster, more involved driving, blah blah blah but there's something about IS350 as an overall package that I just love so much.

I am not sure how I would rank M3 against 335i because I don't have enough seat time in 335i.
The IS feels way too detached for me to rank it against the 335i. I'm not a big fan of the dash/center console, navi, or electronic nannies Toyota imposes as well.
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