Honda Killing Civic Type R in Most European Markets
08-13-10, 05:09 AM
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The point was easy as IS350jet explained. Nothing to login and defend.
My assumption is while it is an econo car, it is using an older engine thus it no longer passes emissions there. It is odd that a Honda, who is mostly known for economy, can't pass emissions.
Sadly the way things are going with the company this won't be replaced.
My assumption is while it is an econo car, it is using an older engine thus it no longer passes emissions there. It is odd that a Honda, who is mostly known for economy, can't pass emissions.
Sadly the way things are going with the company this won't be replaced.
I just said that the comparison is not orange to orange because one is an eco-car and the other is a super car and it seem through the post that I was wrong. I admit that. If I am wrong then point it our like other members did. Geez ...
08-13-10, 07:33 AM
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LFA's engine will get on sale in 2011 and Type-R's engine is god knows how old. Its not a biggie as all manufacturers can and will bring their current engines up to Euro5 but cost/profit is the only consideration for doing so (For example 08 LS460 is rated Euro4 but 10 LS460 is Euro5 so some work has been done.)
Maybe it makes better business case for Honda to make a new engine instead of upgrading the old one who knows.
BTW Honda is not the only one, Porsche has to sell all euro allocated GT2 RSes before 2011 because they can't meet Euro5 either. Its all business strategy.
Maybe it makes better business case for Honda to make a new engine instead of upgrading the old one who knows.
BTW Honda is not the only one, Porsche has to sell all euro allocated GT2 RSes before 2011 because they can't meet Euro5 either. Its all business strategy.
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08-13-10, 08:37 PM
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And Honda's automotive engine lineup is a JOKE - I've got a 20 year old 1UZ-FE V8 in a 1LS that can get BETTER highway MPG than a Honda V6! Shoot, even a Corvette can keep up with a Fit as far as highway MPG goes. You read that correct - a Corvette.
08-14-10, 10:59 AM
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In any case, personally, I'm more bothered with their K-series. As TRDFantasy mentioned in another thread, the K-series first appeared in year 2001.
Now that I look about it. When was the last time a new iteration of the K-series was released? When was the last upgrade/revision/improvement?
Heck, I think even the J-series, which has a few flaws (like SOHC), has newer engines.......in the form:
-J30A5 (first Honda engine to introduce VCM)
-J35 engines with VCM (J35A7, J35Z1, J35Z2)
-J37 engines
For the K-series, I see none.
Btw, I'm using these as reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_K_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_J_engine
P.S.
Super tall gearing? What's that? :P
08-15-10, 02:46 AM
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I'm thinking you could frankenstein an K-series engine with a K24 block and a certain K20 head.
08-15-10, 04:54 AM
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I doubt emissions are the only factor in having convinced Honda to pull the plug on this car. Low sales are most likely another, more logical aspect.
Halo versions of mainstream compacts don't sell very well in Europe to begin with. The market for such cars is extremely sparse and already dominated by the Volkswagen Golf GTI and some other European hot hatches (Ford Focus ST, Renault Twingo/Megane/Clio Sport etc.).
The impression I get is that Europeans buy Japanese cars primarily for value. Sporty Japanese hot hatches seem to be a kind of oxymoron here. Thus, a car like the Honda Civic Type-R is something nobody can find appealing here, but its normal Honda Civic sibling is.
Toyota had a sport version of the Corolla or Yaris here. It sold very poorly while its standard Corolla/Yaris stablemates sold in droves.
It also doesn't help that the Golf GTI has a type of cult status in Europe while Japanese performance cars, for all their qualities, have never made it big here.
Halo versions of mainstream compacts don't sell very well in Europe to begin with. The market for such cars is extremely sparse and already dominated by the Volkswagen Golf GTI and some other European hot hatches (Ford Focus ST, Renault Twingo/Megane/Clio Sport etc.).
The impression I get is that Europeans buy Japanese cars primarily for value. Sporty Japanese hot hatches seem to be a kind of oxymoron here. Thus, a car like the Honda Civic Type-R is something nobody can find appealing here, but its normal Honda Civic sibling is.
Toyota had a sport version of the Corolla or Yaris here. It sold very poorly while its standard Corolla/Yaris stablemates sold in droves.
It also doesn't help that the Golf GTI has a type of cult status in Europe while Japanese performance cars, for all their qualities, have never made it big here.
08-15-10, 09:41 AM
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I doubt emissions are the only factor in having convinced Honda to pull the plug on this car. Low sales are most likely another, more logical aspect.
Halo versions of mainstream compacts don't sell very well in Europe to begin with. The market for such cars is extremely sparse and already dominated by the Volkswagen Golf GTI and some other European hot hatches (Ford Focus ST, Renault Twingo/Megane/Clio Sport etc.).
The impression I get is that Europeans buy Japanese cars primarily for value. Sporty Japanese hot hatches seem to be a kind of oxymoron here. Thus, a car like the Honda Civic Type-R is something nobody can find appealing here, but its normal Honda Civic sibling is.
Toyota had a sport version of the Corolla or Yaris here. It sold very poorly while its standard Corolla/Yaris stablemates sold in droves.
It also doesn't help that the Golf GTI has a type of cult status in Europe while Japanese performance cars, for all their qualities, have never made it big here.
Halo versions of mainstream compacts don't sell very well in Europe to begin with. The market for such cars is extremely sparse and already dominated by the Volkswagen Golf GTI and some other European hot hatches (Ford Focus ST, Renault Twingo/Megane/Clio Sport etc.).
The impression I get is that Europeans buy Japanese cars primarily for value. Sporty Japanese hot hatches seem to be a kind of oxymoron here. Thus, a car like the Honda Civic Type-R is something nobody can find appealing here, but its normal Honda Civic sibling is.
Toyota had a sport version of the Corolla or Yaris here. It sold very poorly while its standard Corolla/Yaris stablemates sold in droves.
It also doesn't help that the Golf GTI has a type of cult status in Europe while Japanese performance cars, for all their qualities, have never made it big here.
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