Honda Killing Civic Type R in Most European Markets
08-11-10, 06:24 PM
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Honda Killing Civic Type R in Most European Markets
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Honda Killing Civic Type R in Most European Markets
Published Aug 10, 2010
Just the Facts:
Honda Civic Type R hatchback will be phased out of most European markets by year's end.
The hatchback does not meet the tough new Euro 5 emissions regulations.
Civic Type R will continue in some markets outside Europe, including Japan.
LONDON — Honda, which earlier this year announced the Civic Type R sedan would be discontinued in August, said Tuesday that its sibling, the Civic Type R hatchback, will also be phased out of most European markets by year's end, a victim of tough new Euro 5 emissions regs.
The hatchback, however, will continue in some markets outside Europe, including Japan, so Honda said the Civic Type R will remain in production for now at its U.K. plant in Swindon.
The current model, which is powered by a 198-horsepower 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine mated to a six-speed gearbox, dates to the 2006 Geneva Auto Show; the final production version debuted that fall in Paris.
Inside Line says: Enthusiasts will surely ask why Honda's engineers haven't come up with a greener solution. — Paul Lienert, Correspondent
Published Aug 10, 2010
Just the Facts:
Honda Civic Type R hatchback will be phased out of most European markets by year's end.
The hatchback does not meet the tough new Euro 5 emissions regulations.
Civic Type R will continue in some markets outside Europe, including Japan.
LONDON — Honda, which earlier this year announced the Civic Type R sedan would be discontinued in August, said Tuesday that its sibling, the Civic Type R hatchback, will also be phased out of most European markets by year's end, a victim of tough new Euro 5 emissions regs.
The hatchback, however, will continue in some markets outside Europe, including Japan, so Honda said the Civic Type R will remain in production for now at its U.K. plant in Swindon.
The current model, which is powered by a 198-horsepower 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine mated to a six-speed gearbox, dates to the 2006 Geneva Auto Show; the final production version debuted that fall in Paris.
Inside Line says: Enthusiasts will surely ask why Honda's engineers haven't come up with a greener solution. — Paul Lienert, Correspondent
08-11-10, 06:28 PM
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Enthusiasts will surely ask why Honda's engineers haven't come up with a greener solution.
. The LFA meets Euro 5 emissions yet a Civic Type R can't?
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That's the problem really though, isn't it? Honda is hell-bent on a lot of things. They are very stubborn and arrogant and refuse to change their ways. Even when the market shows their solution is the wrong one, they stubbornly continue to use it.
08-11-10, 11:57 PM
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Why is that car so damned ugly?
Imagine all the people that had to O.K that thing.
Not just okay it they had to say "i love it -it is perfect-lets mass produce it"
Its ridiculous.
I own a 2001 honda civic si so I am not a anti honda guy--i just dont understand why they wouldnt make a sleeker-sporty-smoother-stylish car.
I just dont understand it.
Imagine all the people that had to O.K that thing.
Not just okay it they had to say "i love it -it is perfect-lets mass produce it"
Its ridiculous.
I own a 2001 honda civic si so I am not a anti honda guy--i just dont understand why they wouldnt make a sleeker-sporty-smoother-stylish car.
I just dont understand it.
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08-12-10, 05:03 AM
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I like this answer. Very technical and knowledgeable. You sir really know your engines.
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I understand but price play a huge different in engine management as well as anything about the car. This is an orange to grape comparison.
08-12-10, 08:49 AM
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My assumption is while it is an econo car, it is using an older engine thus it no longer passes emissions there. It is odd that a Honda, who is mostly known for economy, can't pass emissions.
Sadly the way things are going with the company this won't be replaced.
08-12-10, 11:53 AM
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BMW's V10 in the M5 cannot meet Euro 5 emissions. Even the V10 in the Porsche Carrera GT wouldn't meet Euro 5 emissions, if it was still on sale. The 5.2L Audi/Lamborghini V10 however does meet Euro 5 emissions. What was that again you were saying about price?
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The point was easy as IS350jet explained. Nothing to login and defend.
My assumption is while it is an econo car, it is using an older engine thus it no longer passes emissions there. It is odd that a Honda, who is mostly known for economy, can't pass emissions.
Sadly the way things are going with the company this won't be replaced.
My assumption is while it is an econo car, it is using an older engine thus it no longer passes emissions there. It is odd that a Honda, who is mostly known for economy, can't pass emissions.
Sadly the way things are going with the company this won't be replaced.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/21/l...ise-and-exige/
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Yup, and the 1.8L Toyota VVTL-i engine is really old; it's been available since 1999.
The K-Series debuted 2 years later in 2001, and since then Honda has made changes and updated the K-Series. The Toyota 1.8L VVTL-i had very few updates.
The K-Series debuted 2 years later in 2001, and since then Honda has made changes and updated the K-Series. The Toyota 1.8L VVTL-i had very few updates.
08-12-10, 06:13 PM
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FWIW, Toyota's VVTL-i 1.8L can't meet the Euro 5 standard either so Lotus has to retire it at the end of this year.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/21/l...ise-and-exige/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/21/l...ise-and-exige/
2010 also marks the retirement of the current generation supercharged Elise and Exige for the European market because the Toyota four-cylinder engines no longer meet Euro 5 emissions standards. To mark the passing of these models