VW to Bring Back $85,000 Phaeton to U.S. Four Years After Failure (update not coming)
08-19-10, 12:13 PM
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08-19-10, 12:18 PM
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The W8 Passat predates the Genesis by 6 or 7 years. Clearly the Genesis/Equus are their versions of VW cars.
08-19-10, 12:25 PM
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Its the same because its entrance into a segment that the company has not entered before ( at least the first time). Pretty easy to make the connection in my mind.
08-19-10, 12:37 PM
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01-10-11, 05:08 PM
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During a business background event on Sunday at its North American headquarters in Herndon, Virginia, Jonathan Browning, Volkswagen of America's CEO confirmed to Autoblog that the company's short-lived Phaeton sedan isn't likely to return to America any time soon.
Despite a flurry of reports to the contrary since the Phaeton left the U.S. market after the 2006 model year, Browning confirms that the luxury sedan is not part of the brand's ambitious plan to sell 800,000 units in North America by 2018. That said, while it's unlikely to return to North America in that time frame, VW is not completely ruling it out. According to Browning, the large luxury sedan segment is something that VW will eventually field an entry in once again ("It is not a case of if, but when") – but at the moment, it sounds like the return of the Phaeton is likely to be couple of generations away.
Despite a flurry of reports to the contrary since the Phaeton left the U.S. market after the 2006 model year, Browning confirms that the luxury sedan is not part of the brand's ambitious plan to sell 800,000 units in North America by 2018. That said, while it's unlikely to return to North America in that time frame, VW is not completely ruling it out. According to Browning, the large luxury sedan segment is something that VW will eventually field an entry in once again ("It is not a case of if, but when") – but at the moment, it sounds like the return of the Phaeton is likely to be couple of generations away.
01-10-11, 05:34 PM
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Man, you guys are brutal. A couple of points here please.
The Audi A8 and the V-dub are/were almost identical mechanically. And they are both magnificent cars. So it is/would be a direct competitor to the 7-series, S-class andd LS (and oddly enough-VW hasn't had any entries to contest these three in the States since the Phaeton disappeared). Already stated but should be reiterated.
VW made a bold statement. And it was aimed at all of us Lexus/Infiniti guys. Rebadging a great car is worthless. Burns market dollars and soothes egos for the truly vain among us. I drive an SC400. If it came stateside as a Soarer from the get, my ego WOULD NOT get in the way of me wanting it JUST AS MUCH, if not more, than a Lexus re-badged. You Altezza and Aristo and Crown folks need to look within on that one too.
VW has mega-deep pockets. And American sales don't account for as much of that as people here may want to think. They can afford to make the statement or try again as much as they want.
This one's a stretch. I don't of any/many luxo cars offering all-wheel drive or v-12 powerplants or even deisels as an option to this day. You KNOW VW is going to.
All that being said, I'm excited about the prospect of owning a luxury sedan in the future....after someone else takes the depreciative hit first of course. The LS460 is still at the top of my list for so many reasons, but if this car comes back stateside, it'll be my close #2.
The Phaeton is an effin rockstar still in Europe BTW!!!!
Only bad point-the name sucked. It actaully means 2-door car I was told.....
The Audi A8 and the V-dub are/were almost identical mechanically. And they are both magnificent cars. So it is/would be a direct competitor to the 7-series, S-class andd LS (and oddly enough-VW hasn't had any entries to contest these three in the States since the Phaeton disappeared). Already stated but should be reiterated.
VW made a bold statement. And it was aimed at all of us Lexus/Infiniti guys. Rebadging a great car is worthless. Burns market dollars and soothes egos for the truly vain among us. I drive an SC400. If it came stateside as a Soarer from the get, my ego WOULD NOT get in the way of me wanting it JUST AS MUCH, if not more, than a Lexus re-badged. You Altezza and Aristo and Crown folks need to look within on that one too.
VW has mega-deep pockets. And American sales don't account for as much of that as people here may want to think. They can afford to make the statement or try again as much as they want.
This one's a stretch. I don't of any/many luxo cars offering all-wheel drive or v-12 powerplants or even deisels as an option to this day. You KNOW VW is going to.
All that being said, I'm excited about the prospect of owning a luxury sedan in the future....after someone else takes the depreciative hit first of course. The LS460 is still at the top of my list for so many reasons, but if this car comes back stateside, it'll be my close #2.
The Phaeton is an effin rockstar still in Europe BTW!!!!
Only bad point-the name sucked. It actaully means 2-door car I was told.....
Last edited by Sweatshop; 01-10-11 at 05:37 PM.
01-10-11, 05:45 PM
#39
Man, you guys are brutal. A couple of points here please.
The Audi A8 and the V-dub are/were almost identical mechanically. And they are both magnificent cars. So it is/would be a direct competitor to the 7-series, S-class andd LS (and oddly enough-VW hasn't had any entries to contest these three in the States since the Phaeton disappeared). Already stated but should be reiterated.
VW made a bold statement. And it was aimed at all of us Lexus/Infiniti guys. Rebadging a great car is worthless. Burns market dollars and soothes egos for the truly vain among us. I drive an SC400. If it came stateside as a Soarer from the get, my ego WOULD NOT get in the way of me wanting it JUST AS MUCH, if not more, than a Lexus re-badged. You Altezza and Aristo and Crown folks need to look within on that one too.
VW has mega-deep pockets. And American sales don't account for as much of that as people here may want to think. They can afford to make the statement or try again as much as they want.
This one's a stretch. I don't of any/many luxo cars offering all-wheel drive or v-12 powerplants or even deisels as an option to this day. You KNOW VW is going to.
All that being said, I'm excited about the prospect of owning a luxury sedan in the future....after someone else takes the depreciative hit first of course. The LS460 is still at the top of my list for so many reasons, but if this car comes back stateside, it'll be my close #2.
The Phaeton is an effin rockstar still in Europe BTW!!!!
Only bad point-the name sucked. It actaully means 2-door car I was told.....
The Audi A8 and the V-dub are/were almost identical mechanically. And they are both magnificent cars. So it is/would be a direct competitor to the 7-series, S-class andd LS (and oddly enough-VW hasn't had any entries to contest these three in the States since the Phaeton disappeared). Already stated but should be reiterated.
VW made a bold statement. And it was aimed at all of us Lexus/Infiniti guys. Rebadging a great car is worthless. Burns market dollars and soothes egos for the truly vain among us. I drive an SC400. If it came stateside as a Soarer from the get, my ego WOULD NOT get in the way of me wanting it JUST AS MUCH, if not more, than a Lexus re-badged. You Altezza and Aristo and Crown folks need to look within on that one too.
VW has mega-deep pockets. And American sales don't account for as much of that as people here may want to think. They can afford to make the statement or try again as much as they want.
This one's a stretch. I don't of any/many luxo cars offering all-wheel drive or v-12 powerplants or even deisels as an option to this day. You KNOW VW is going to.
All that being said, I'm excited about the prospect of owning a luxury sedan in the future....after someone else takes the depreciative hit first of course. The LS460 is still at the top of my list for so many reasons, but if this car comes back stateside, it'll be my close #2.
The Phaeton is an effin rockstar still in Europe BTW!!!!
Only bad point-the name sucked. It actaully means 2-door car I was told.....
idk about Altezza/Aristo/Crown.
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