Hydrogen fueling station explodes
08-27-10, 12:21 PM
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Hydrogen fueling station explodes
Some are betting Hydrogen powered cars are the future..
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1716520.shtml?cat=566
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1716520.shtml?cat=566
Two hydrogen tanks at Monroe County's alternative fuel station on Scottsville Road exploded and caught fire this afternoon, sending black smoke high in the air. The blasts were heard as far away as Pittsford.
A male employee of Praxair drove an 18-wheel truck carrying a compressed-hydrogen tank to the station to replace another truck and tank, County Executive Maggie Brooks and Airport Director David Damelio said during a briefing this afternoon. Damelio said the exchange is carried out monthly. Praxair is a supplier to General Motors Corp.
One of the hydrogen tanks exploded and caught fire about 12:50 p.m. Officials believe that there was some sort of arcing on the ground that spread the flames to the other tank, which also exploded. By the time of Brooks’ 2:45 p.m. briefing, the hydrogen had been burned off and the fire extinguished.
On Thursday night, Monroe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Cpl. John Helfer said the driver, Robert Scruggs, 61, of Geneva, Ohio, had been taken to Strong Memorial Hospital with second-degree burns. Helfer said Scruggs was in satisfactory condition.
A male employee of Praxair drove an 18-wheel truck carrying a compressed-hydrogen tank to the station to replace another truck and tank, County Executive Maggie Brooks and Airport Director David Damelio said during a briefing this afternoon. Damelio said the exchange is carried out monthly. Praxair is a supplier to General Motors Corp.
One of the hydrogen tanks exploded and caught fire about 12:50 p.m. Officials believe that there was some sort of arcing on the ground that spread the flames to the other tank, which also exploded. By the time of Brooks’ 2:45 p.m. briefing, the hydrogen had been burned off and the fire extinguished.
On Thursday night, Monroe County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Cpl. John Helfer said the driver, Robert Scruggs, 61, of Geneva, Ohio, had been taken to Strong Memorial Hospital with second-degree burns. Helfer said Scruggs was in satisfactory condition.
08-27-10, 01:59 PM
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If you don't believe Hydrogen can be viable, then you need to read up on it. It has much more molecular energy and it produces no pollution what so ever. You can even recycle the water formed by the process.
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
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08-27-10, 02:11 PM
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If you don't believe Hydrogen can be viable, then you need to read up on it. It has much more molecular energy and it produces no pollution what so ever. You can even recycle the water formed by the process.
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
08-27-10, 10:11 PM
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Doesn't have to be that way, though. Remember your chemistry labs back in school.....and the production of hydrogen from the electrolysis of water? In fact, that is partly (among other reactions) how modern fuel-cell cars work to make electricity for the motor.
08-28-10, 04:55 AM
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Interestingly you can get hydrogen from urine and that is 300% more energy efficient than using water - but maybe that really is taking the p---.
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08-28-10, 07:41 AM
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If you don't believe Hydrogen can be viable, then you need to read up on it. It has much more molecular energy and it produces no pollution what so ever. You can even recycle the water formed by the process.
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
If people had said that when gasoline cars came out, where would we be at this time?
08-28-10, 08:37 AM
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Some are betting Hydrogen powered cars are the future..
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1716520.shtml?cat=566
http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1716520.shtml?cat=566
Its not like we had an entire oil rig blow up in the Gulf.. and burn/hurt/kill people.
I just had to bring out some of Sicks sarcasm....
08-28-10, 02:29 PM
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you act like a gas station has never gone up. This is a non issue. Hydrogen will still be in our furure. I think there are risks to any source that we use. These risks need to be reduced by engineering etc and we should be fine. Just think of how many times we have seen an episode of cops where some drunk dude crashes into a fuel tank at a gas station and BOOOM. There is risk with anything. We just need to realize that we have to work to reduce the risks.
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08-28-10, 02:31 PM
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08-30-10, 08:39 AM
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Creating hydrogen by electrolysis consumes more energy than the oxidation reaction (burning it) creates - it's a net loss no matter how you look at it. Other methods do exist for generation, but the current most cost effective one is natural gas reformation. Again, fossil fuels are the base energy source.
Storing hydrogen is inherently more dangerous than gasoline as it must be compressed, and is therefore combustible (tanker trucks transporting gasoline are not compressed, and under most situation will only ignite, not combust). It will also burn at a much higher range of air/fuel mixtures than almost any other fuel source.
Combine all this with the fact that it's energy density is very poor - about 27% that of gasoline or diesel, and you have a fuel that is being pushed solely because it is "green".
Electric cars make much more sense than hydrogen cars ever will.
Good information on hydrogen.
