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Old 08-30-10, 12:17 AM
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Default Which carmaker is #1 in quality in Germany? (July '10) Autobild has the data.

German Car Magazine Autobild Ranks Hyundai #1 In Quality



"Hyundai edged out BMW and Audi in leading German car magazine Autobild’s annual quality survey. Hyundai also beat out Toyota, long considered the benchmark for quality and reliability.

Using owner feedback, recall information and data from Germany’s well known TUV technical inspection agency, the magazine’s yearly report is held in high regard in Europe."

Full Article: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...n-quality.html


I knew Hyundai was improving fast but I didn't know they were this good already.
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My dad's Veracruz interior is no Audi interior. Not even close. Don't know where they get these stats from.
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They sell very few cars there and most are basic econo cars.

Why is there a picture of the Equus? It's not sold there and it's completely misleading.
 
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
My dad's Veracruz interior is no Audi interior. Not even close.
Subjective, of course. But, from what I've seen of the Veracruz, it IS close, particularly with the top Veracruz top-level trim package.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Why is there a picture of the Equus? It's not sold there and it's completely misleading.
Well, for that matter, it's not (yet) sold here either. A number of countries are waiting for its introduction, not just us.
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The topic of this thread and the article are rather mis-leading. But, I will still take my Lexus over said Hyundai. As a matter of fact, I'd like take a MB, BMW, and Audi over a Hyundai.

The article doesn't do anything for me, although it is good to see Hyundai quality is finally increasing.
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Nice accomplishment, at least in this one area of measurement.
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Don't know where they get these stats from.
Try reading the OP's post for the answer. It clearly states:

"Using owner feedback, recall information and data from Germany’s well known TUV technical inspection agency. . ."
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
They sell very few cars there and most are basic econo cars.
You do realize that Hyundai is the best selling Asian brand in Germany and therefore sells more than Toyota/Lexus or Nissan/Infiniti.
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Originally Posted by madoka
You do realize that Hyundai is the best selling Asian brand in Germany and therefore sells more than Toyota/Lexus or Nissan/Infiniti.
O Rly?

Here are the best selling brands in Germany in 2009.
http://internationaltrade.suite101.c...n_germany_2009

Its not even a close race. If you want to magically add Kia and Hyundai they outsell Toyota/Lexus but that is two econo cars to one and no luxury cars so they should sell more added up.

Volkswagen (VW) … 805,262 … 21.2 … 30.9
Opel … 338,603 … 8.9 … 31.1
Ford … 290,620 … 7.6 … 33.7
Mercedes … 282,527 … 7.4 … -13.9
BMW / Mini … 258,041 … 6.8 … -9.4
Audi … 234,861 … 6.2 … -6.6
Renault / Dacia … 225,965 … 5.9 … 53.5
Skoda … 190,717 … 5.0 … 57.3
Fiat … 163,953 … 4.3 …86.1
Toyota / Lexus … 138,498 … 3.6 … 43.1
Peugeot … 130,207 … 3.4 … 37.5
Citroen … 101,370 … 2.7 … 38.2
Hyundai … 91,330 … 2.4 … 76.7
Seat … 69,437 … 1.8 … 40.8
Nissan … 66,463 … 1.7 … 45.3
Mazda … 60,032 … 1.6 … 6.7
Suzuki … 59,184 … 1.6 … 60.7
Kia … 55,379 … 1.5 … 61.4
Honda … 45,151 … 1.2 … 12.5
Smart … 33,980 … 0.9 … 0.5
Chevrolet … 31,259 … 0.8 … 46.7
Mitsubishi … 30,409 … 0.8 … 19.0
Volvo … 26,057 … 0.7 … -6.9
Porsche … 15,343 … 0.4 … -5.4
Alfa Romeo … 11,993 … 0.3 … 57.9
The German Passenger Car Market in 2009

Read more at Suite101: Best-Selling Car Manufacturers in Germany (2009): VW & Opel Lead Top 25 Most Sold Passenger Vehicle Brands and Marques http://internationaltrade.suite101.c...#ixzz0y7Q0azqJ

Car models Germany 2009



What is of interest since I am interested more in aspirational vehicles and not econo cars is the Panamera beat the 7 series in sales in Germany last month.

http://vgd.no/forbruker/bil/tema/158...algsstatistikk

July 2010
Mercedes S - 525
Audi A8 - 484
Porsche Panamera - 404
BMW 7-serie - 380
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
O Rly?
Yeah, your data is from 2009. Mine is 2010:

http://www.samar.pl/__/__la/en/__ac/...-after-H1.html

With 35,941 registrations in H1 2010, Hyundai was the top-selling Asian brand in Germany’s new-car market with 35,941 units. As a result, Hyundai secured a market share of 2.45%.

The H1 2010 sales performance does not compare favourably against the figures reported by Hyundai during H1 2009, but it should be noted that last year German buyers rushed to buy new models following the introduction of scrapping incentives worth EUR 2,500. However, the scheme ran out of money last September, resulting in a significant drop in demand for the whole industry shortly afterwards.

However, Hyundai is happy to announce that the H1 2010 tally is up by almost 50% against the supply during H1 2008.

These are the top-selling Asian brands in the German new-car market after H1 2010:
- Hyundai: 35,941 units
- Toyota/Lexus: 35,410 units
- Nissan/Infiniti: 30,302 units
- Mazda: 24,433 units
- Suzuki: 16,248 units
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So they beat out a more expensive Toyota/Lexus by 500 cars during the first 6 months.

Let me get back to not caring, I am not buying a Hyundai (exits thread).
 
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How is it BMW and Audi are usually average to below average in the reliability surveys we have over here, but are apparently fighting for top honors in the survey they have over there?

Then again the saying '#1 in quality' is barely any more meaningful than saying '#1 in awesomeness'... until we define what metrics were used.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
So they beat out a more expensive Toyota/Lexus by 500 cars during the first 6 months.

Let me get back to not caring, I am not buying a Hyundai (exits thread).
You know, the polite response would be to own up to your mistake/misunderstanding, instead of storming off in a huff. I only mention this because this isn't the first time.
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Originally Posted by Threxx
How is it BMW and Audi are usually average to below average in the reliability surveys we have over here, but are apparently fighting for top honors in the survey they have over there?

Then again the saying '#1 in quality' is barely any more meaningful than saying '#1 in awesomeness'... until we define what metrics were used.
One of the biggest reasons MB went down on U.S. surveys was due to the ML built in Alabama. Perhaps their U.S. built SUVs bring down their average in the U.S.

Here is the source for the OP's article, which has a fuller discussion of the criteria they used:

Leading German motoring magazine AutoBild, has awarded Hyundai Motor Company the honor of first-place in its annual AutoBild Quality Report for 2010.

Hyundai edged out local manufacturers BMW and Audi, and eclipsed its rival Toyota to take the prestigious award based on a comprehensive analysis of reliability, long-term quality and customer satisfaction.

AutoBild's annual list evaluates seven key criteria, each weighted equally, including feedback received from 9278 owners, manufacturer warranty provisioning, recall information, and data from Germany's Technische Uberwachung Verein report (TÜV) based on no less than 7.5 million vehicle inspections.

Considered by many to be one of the most respected industry quality surveys, and endorsed by a fastidious German audience, the award further demonstrates the gains Hyundai has made in consistently improving the quality of its products, service and support available to its owners.

“Hyundai is always proud to receive awards for its products, particularly this one from AutoBild, which places the company ahead of brands many have considered to be at the pinnacle of the industry.” said Hyundai Motor Company Marketing Director Oliver Mann.

Hyundai’s star continues to rise elsewhere in Europe with British magazine Motor Trader naming Hyundai as the Car Franchise of the Year in its annual Motor Trader Industry Awards. Also in the UK, the i30 recently took first place in the Driver Power Top 100 survey, a customer satisfaction survey conducted by the best-selling Auto Express magazine – confirming the findings of UK’s Which? consumer guide whose subscribers revealed i30 to be Britain’s most reliable medium-sized car.
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