Kia recalls 2010 Soul, 2011 Sorento over wiring faults.(Kia's top executive resigns)
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Obviously you read my post #4 that spells out the difference between a test drive and a more extensive driving or ownership experience very clearly.
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Thanks for those burned-speaker pictures, Joeb.
I passed them on to my brother. He's going to keep that system turned-off until they can check the wiring harness. Fortunately, the Soul has a switch that keeps the speakers on for listening, but removes the funky spook-red pulsating.
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Well, I'll be the first one to say, though, that my brother bought a new Soul in July.....and he loves it, recall or not. I kind of like it myself....though it is not the car for me.
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My many postings here are some of my least worthwhile accomplishments in life, thankfully my life has far more depth than idle chatter on the internet, even if it's good fun and giggles.
I have well over 40 years of automotive experience (it's literally a part of my immediate family's history), and the need to enjoy fine machinery frequently is in my blood.
back to topic:
But as I said before, I don't expect 30 minute test drives or reports from those with extended driving and/or ownership experiences to find potential recalls for us.
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So does mine...I was also heavily involved in aviation and weather (in a number of different ways) for many years....made my living with the FAA. But this may be getting a little more in the area of PM than in public thread-posts.
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back to topic:
But as I said before, I don't expect 30 minute test drives or reports from those with extended driving and/or ownership experiences to find potential recalls for us.
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Personal, I don't see anything wrong with recalls. Remember, cars are made by human beings (though we have now machines and robots doing most of the work.......but still, the human worker is involved). Human beings are not perfect and are prone to making mistakes. Therefore, I expect that no car will be 100% perfect/flawless.
However, regards to increasing number of recalls by many different automakers, I think this points out again to human factor.
Well we have to face it, today people are wimps. More people today are becoming lazy. For instance, long ago, students used the school library more often and actually use books and other text when making academic papers, reports and stuff.
Now, they just resort to using wikipedia and if it works, then that's all they use.
I guess the same is happening in the auto production and manufacturing industry. I bet today's autoworkers must be thinking: Never mind if I don't get the installation of this wiring harness right. In the end, AS LONG AS IT HAS FOUR WHEELS AND IT RUNS, then I couldn't give a **** about anything else.
Toyota Japan for instance made a discovery that the newer generation of auto workers didn't have much passion or work ethic or work quality that their predecessors had (guess they only found pleasure in life just playing video games and watching TV all day). Hence, they observed that their quality was slipping and that they had more recalls than usual compared to the past.
As such, Toyota Japan introduced a crash-course on auto assembly to hope that this problem would be solved......but who knows if results will be made.
I guess this was the negative aspect of technology wherein we start to depend on it too much to the point where we want it to do everything while we sit back in our couches with our PS3, Xboxes, computers and the TV remote.
Lest forgetting that thousands of years ago, our ancestors had to go out in open areas and risk their lives hunting wild animals for food. Today, we have to ask the delivery man to bring food to our doorstep.
Still, one can only hope that as technology and human society advance, we just hope that our laziness and complacency will not follow in that direction as well.....
What do you think, mmarshall and others?
However, regards to increasing number of recalls by many different automakers, I think this points out again to human factor.
Well we have to face it, today people are wimps. More people today are becoming lazy. For instance, long ago, students used the school library more often and actually use books and other text when making academic papers, reports and stuff.
Now, they just resort to using wikipedia and if it works, then that's all they use.
I guess the same is happening in the auto production and manufacturing industry. I bet today's autoworkers must be thinking: Never mind if I don't get the installation of this wiring harness right. In the end, AS LONG AS IT HAS FOUR WHEELS AND IT RUNS, then I couldn't give a **** about anything else.
Toyota Japan for instance made a discovery that the newer generation of auto workers didn't have much passion or work ethic or work quality that their predecessors had (guess they only found pleasure in life just playing video games and watching TV all day). Hence, they observed that their quality was slipping and that they had more recalls than usual compared to the past.
As such, Toyota Japan introduced a crash-course on auto assembly to hope that this problem would be solved......but who knows if results will be made.
I guess this was the negative aspect of technology wherein we start to depend on it too much to the point where we want it to do everything while we sit back in our couches with our PS3, Xboxes, computers and the TV remote.
Lest forgetting that thousands of years ago, our ancestors had to go out in open areas and risk their lives hunting wild animals for food. Today, we have to ask the delivery man to bring food to our doorstep.
Still, one can only hope that as technology and human society advance, we just hope that our laziness and complacency will not follow in that direction as well.....
What do you think, mmarshall and others?
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(for mmarshall) - maybe they were playing AC/DC REALLY loud.
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Yeah.....if that's the case, they couldn't picked a better hard-rock group.
And many of the songs AC/DC does (at least on a number of their past albums) deal with flames, electric charges, burning, live wires, high voltage etc....
And many of the songs AC/DC does (at least on a number of their past albums) deal with flames, electric charges, burning, live wires, high voltage etc....
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Personal, I don't see anything wrong with recalls. Remember, cars are made by human beings (though we have now machines and robots doing most of the work.......but still, the human worker is involved). Human beings are not perfect and are prone to making mistakes. Therefore, I expect that no car will be 100% perfect/flawless.
Well we have to face it, today people are wimps. More people today are becoming lazy. For instance, long ago, students used the school library more often and actually use books and other text when making academic papers, reports and stuff.
Now, they just resort to using wikipedia and if it works, then that's all they use.
Now, they just resort to using wikipedia and if it works, then that's all they use.
I guess the same is happening in the auto production and manufacturing industry. I bet today's autoworkers must be thinking: Never mind if I don't get the installation of this wiring harness right. In the end, AS LONG AS IT HAS FOUR WHEELS AND IT RUNS, then I couldn't give a **** about anything else.
Toyota Japan for instance made a discovery that the newer generation of auto workers didn't have much passion or work ethic or work quality that their predecessors had (guess they only found pleasure in life just playing video games and watching TV all day). Hence, they observed that their quality was slipping and that they had more recalls than usual compared to the past.
I'm sure that Kia will do the right thing, however. They'll reengineer the affected harnesses, install them, and make it right for those who have had issues. Mistakes happen.
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Many workers often DO install the same parts/assemblies, over and over again, in thousands of cars going down the assembly-line. Repetitive-motion injuries, involving bones, muscles, cartiledge, ligaments, tendons, etc.... have been a significant problem in the auto industry for years. Auto manufacturers and health-insurance companies spend a lot of money treating those injuries.