First Drive: 2011 Honda Odyssey
#16
NAIL IN THE COFFIN for Honda for me.
Last model was the best design
I'm totally happy with my SE
if you get it for free, you still have to pay the tax on the damn thing
Last model was the best design
I'm totally happy with my SE
if you get it for free, you still have to pay the tax on the damn thing
#17
Rant:
To me all Minivans are ugly and need to stay out the fast lane. Hey dude your in a minivan stop trying to be cool. Your out the game let a player thru.
Ok I guess this mini van would be nice for a family even though it look like a small bus.
To me all Minivans are ugly and need to stay out the fast lane. Hey dude your in a minivan stop trying to be cool. Your out the game let a player thru.
Ok I guess this mini van would be nice for a family even though it look like a small bus.
Last edited by rogers2; 09-09-10 at 10:30 AM.
#18
That kind back there visually exaggerates the massive rear overhang. Reminds me of the song with "like big butts".
Looks like they recycled some leftover Crossturd grills maybe.
#19
That is one ugly ****. The lightning bolt, while they say its to increase visibility for the third row, a simple solution would have been to design it right in the first place and not have the belt line draw up so high. And those black mirrors make every model look cheap and like a base model. The rear overhang is atrocious. This is definitely a van best suited in dark colors.
With all that said, the interior is pretty well done in design and layout. And the practical features such as the trash bag holder, the middle row being able to slide outward a little bit to accommodate three full-sized child seats (could also be used to increase hip room for regular passengers) are pretty clever.
Mechanically this thing is just a failure. They better have some secret updates up their sleeves and implement them soon. I don't think the Sienna has much to worry about this time.
With all that said, the interior is pretty well done in design and layout. And the practical features such as the trash bag holder, the middle row being able to slide outward a little bit to accommodate three full-sized child seats (could also be used to increase hip room for regular passengers) are pretty clever.
Mechanically this thing is just a failure. They better have some secret updates up their sleeves and implement them soon. I don't think the Sienna has much to worry about this time.
#22
I have to agree with both sides here. The rear-door-belt-line does look a little awkward, but, outside of that, it's not a bad-looking minivan at all.
Overall, I'd say it is about even with the Sienna on looks. The Odyssey has (IMO) an awkward-looking beltline; the Sienna, an awkward-looking grille/headlights. Otherwise, they're both fine.
Overall, I'd say it is about even with the Sienna on looks. The Odyssey has (IMO) an awkward-looking beltline; the Sienna, an awkward-looking grille/headlights. Otherwise, they're both fine.
Last edited by mmarshall; 09-09-10 at 02:44 PM.
#23
The '11 looks like one design team did the front and another did the rear and they just smashed them together. Ugly lines for sure. A darker color might help blend the body and windows and hide the big gap for the sliding doors.
Here's a head to head photo matchup with the '11 Sienna:
Here's a head to head photo matchup with the '11 Sienna:
#25
The overhang (appears) to have been done for cargo-space....and possibly safety. With most 3-row minivans, when adults are back in the third-row seat, if you don't have some space back behind the seat/rear wheels, their heads are uncomfortably (and sometimes dangerously) close to the rear-glass. Also, you don't have much cargo space with the 3rd-row seat up. Minivans, considered trucks by the EPA, were exempt from some Federal safety standards for years, but now, more attention is being paid, from a safety-point of view, to their designs.
#27
Your illustration hits the nail on the head! Why can't something as simple as this be revealed and worked upon at Honda? Don't they do the most basic of analyisis? You don't even have to be a professional designer to see the faults here. Very very poor situation at Honda right now.
#28
#29
I really don't understand how the Sienna blandmobile is any better looking than the Odyssey. At least the Odyssey is interesting to look at. And wow that lightning bolt is really not a big deal whatsoever lol, it keeps the visual weight of the rear down so the car doesn't look massive, slab-sided and boring, like the Sienna. Not to mention, it flows with the shoulder arrow hunch that starts from the front door handle, and echoes the character line on the bottom of the doors.
Gotta agree with bitkahuna's posts all around in here.
Gotta agree with bitkahuna's posts all around in here.
Last edited by knihc2008; 09-09-10 at 07:16 PM.
#30
Yes, it's true that Honda and Acura make some awkwardly-styled vehicles (I think that many of us here on CL can agree with that), and that their hybrid drivetrains generally fall behind those of Toyota/Lexus in both smoothness and efficiency. But I still haven't seen quite the same kind of superb assembly-quality and precision-tolerances from any other mass-produced automaker that I have from Honda. However, newer Ford Fusions, a number of newer Hyundai/Kia products, some newer Audis, and some other vehicles have come very close. Honda, though, IMO (and I look at a lot of new vehicles), is still the poster-child for a well-screwed-together car right from the factory.
Lexus, admittedly, used to be at the very top of the list when it came to build-quality, (right up there with Honda-Acura) but they seem to have dropped some in the last 4-6 years. Still, Lexus does a considerably better-then-average job in this area, especially in drivetrain quality/refinement.
Lexus, admittedly, used to be at the very top of the list when it came to build-quality, (right up there with Honda-Acura) but they seem to have dropped some in the last 4-6 years. Still, Lexus does a considerably better-then-average job in this area, especially in drivetrain quality/refinement.