First Drive: 2011 Honda Odyssey
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At least it looks good with all the doors open. lol.
I actually liked the concept version somewhat. This production version is soo wierd. I also think the Sienna is kinda frumpy looking as well, but the SE trim really does it some good.
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I wish they had given us a nicer looking wheel. A simple 5-spoke would suffice for a base model.
And LOL at Touring Elite name. Why not just call it the Touring model and have an 'Elite' package for those wanting more features. I hope I don't see a Touring Elite Plus on the next generation..
And LOL at Touring Elite name. Why not just call it the Touring model and have an 'Elite' package for those wanting more features. I hope I don't see a Touring Elite Plus on the next generation..
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haha, I love it...in the sense that it's such a massive fail. Ugly, lame powertrain, FWD only, etc, etc.
I admit, after '97 (last year of the Previa), Honda has owned the minivan crown, IMO, but all that changes in 2011. 3rd gen Sienna FTW!
I admit, after '97 (last year of the Previa), Honda has owned the minivan crown, IMO, but all that changes in 2011. 3rd gen Sienna FTW!
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I wish they had given us a nicer looking wheel. A simple 5-spoke would suffice for a base model.
And LOL at Touring Elite name. Why not just call it the Touring model and have an 'Elite' package for those wanting more features. I hope I don't see a Touring Elite Plus on the next generation..
And LOL at Touring Elite name. Why not just call it the Touring model and have an 'Elite' package for those wanting more features. I hope I don't see a Touring Elite Plus on the next generation..
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I actually like the new look. It's quirky, but works for me and I prefer it over the new Sienna. +1 on the transmission choices...people are going to notice the knock on fuel economy with the 5AT.
Once again, Honda and Toyota set the bar for these US-market vans.
JDM Previa/Estima and Odyssey still look better, but I tend to be biased towards JDM models.
Once again, Honda and Toyota set the bar for these US-market vans.
JDM Previa/Estima and Odyssey still look better, but I tend to be biased towards JDM models.
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LOL, good catch!
At what point in the future would you like me to dig your post up, and show you that you're wrong? 6 months? A year?![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
What's the hang-up on the gear count, guys? Should it have a 7 speed transmission? 8? If so, why?
At what point in the future would you like me to dig your post up, and show you that you're wrong? 6 months? A year?
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What's the hang-up on the gear count, guys? Should it have a 7 speed transmission? 8? If so, why?
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2. Meaningless. Unless a person only cares about bragging rights, or loves fluffy automobile marketing material.
3. Changing the final drive ratio will affect highway MPG. Adding or removing gears below that top top gear will not.
4. Up until a certain point, yes. But the law of diminishing returns absolutely applies here. There are other factors at play when choosing a gear count (like fatness of the engine torque curve, etc), but I would venture a guess that Honda probably figured out that there is little to no noticeable improvement to be made by adding another gear or two, and stayed with 5. Fewer shifts means less wear and tear on the transmission, less hunting for gears, and, well, less shifting.
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The undersized 1Gen Odyssey (also produced as the Isuzu Oasis) was not terribly popular, but, since then, every-generation Odyssey has sold like hotcakes. I don't see why this one will be any diffrent, even with a somewhat awkward-looking beltline.
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1. The number of gears has nothing to do with technology. The gear is just a machined piece of metal with cogs on it.
2. Meaningless. Unless a person only cares about bragging rights, or loves fluffy automobile marketing material.
3. Changing the final drive ratio will affect highway MPG. Adding or removing gears below that top top gear will not.
4. Up until a certain point, yes. But the law of diminishing returns absolutely applies here. There are other factors at play when choosing a gear count (like fatness of the engine torque curve, etc), but I would venture a guess that Honda probably figured out that there is little to no noticeable improvement to be made by adding another gear or two, and stayed with 5. Fewer shifts means less wear and tear on the transmission, less hunting for gears, and, well, less shifting.
2. Meaningless. Unless a person only cares about bragging rights, or loves fluffy automobile marketing material.
3. Changing the final drive ratio will affect highway MPG. Adding or removing gears below that top top gear will not.
4. Up until a certain point, yes. But the law of diminishing returns absolutely applies here. There are other factors at play when choosing a gear count (like fatness of the engine torque curve, etc), but I would venture a guess that Honda probably figured out that there is little to no noticeable improvement to be made by adding another gear or two, and stayed with 5. Fewer shifts means less wear and tear on the transmission, less hunting for gears, and, well, less shifting.
Car companies with true technology know this and they even create 8 speeds with less weight and parts than 6 speeds.
I mean isn't it obvious the entire industry has moved to 6, 7, 8 speeds and CVTs and this is stuck with a 5 speed and finally gets a 6 speed.
Everyone has past Honda, they are a has been. Period.
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The number of gears help acceleration since you can keep the ratio closer in between shifts. But LexJaq is correct, the final gear ratio is what counts. When you're on the highway cruising in the final gear, 0.50 is 0.50 regardless of how many gears there are before that.
However I do rather see a 6 spd than a 5spd in the Odyssey. A set of shorter gear ratios could make better use of the rather old J35 engine.
However I do rather see a 6 spd than a 5spd in the Odyssey. A set of shorter gear ratios could make better use of the rather old J35 engine.
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based on internet comments, most people don't like the exterior.
the people who designed this van own 46 odysseys among themselves......... and this is the best shiet they could come up with ?..............
they must love the pontiac Aztek too.
They should have designed it like this....... much better looking and more cohesive, relatively....
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the people who designed this van own 46 odysseys among themselves......... and this is the best shiet they could come up with ?..............
they must love the pontiac Aztek too.
They should have designed it like this....... much better looking and more cohesive, relatively....
VVVVV
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