2011 Nissan GT-R officially laps the Nurburgring in 7:20
10-19-10, 08:59 AM
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Big difference. 0-60 is very easy to understand, most average people know what it means. Also during testing, it happens almost instantaneously.
In comparison the Nordschleife is 12.9 miles long. It takes for just about any production car over 7 minutes just to complete ONE lap. The track is so long and covers such a large geographical area that it has its own micro-climate. Often it can be sunny in one part of the track, and raining in the other part of the track. It could be windy in one part of the track, while calm in the other part of the track.
With such a large and long track, and a long amount of time that it takes just to complete one lap, there are a HUGE amount of variables that affect the time of just ONE lap (with the same car, and same driver).
Compare this to 0-60 times, where there are a lot less variables that can affect the times of one run.
Comparing 'Ring times of different cars, based on times that were achieved on different days with different drivers is extremely complex, much more complicated and less accurate than comparing 0-60 times.
In comparison the Nordschleife is 12.9 miles long. It takes for just about any production car over 7 minutes just to complete ONE lap. The track is so long and covers such a large geographical area that it has its own micro-climate. Often it can be sunny in one part of the track, and raining in the other part of the track. It could be windy in one part of the track, while calm in the other part of the track.
With such a large and long track, and a long amount of time that it takes just to complete one lap, there are a HUGE amount of variables that affect the time of just ONE lap (with the same car, and same driver).
Compare this to 0-60 times, where there are a lot less variables that can affect the times of one run.
Comparing 'Ring times of different cars, based on times that were achieved on different days with different drivers is extremely complex, much more complicated and less accurate than comparing 0-60 times.
less variables? really depends on how you see it, coz' in my eyes there are just as many variables including drivers and road conditions. and 100s of a second, should we consider it as no big deal or huge deal (out of 4 seconds)? and for very high performance car, isn't there all the talk that 0-60 is quite meaningless? who says all 0-60 are done on the same day/time/location/driver? no... if you think 0-60 is more accurate in any way, then imho that's pretty off.
case in point? 98 gs400 lexus claimed what, 5.8 0-60? of my whole ownership of the car, i have never been able to do better than 6.1, and a lot of people i know can't touch that. accurate?
10-19-10, 09:38 AM
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i dont come here often anymore but its sad that so many misunderstand the lfa, especially among lexus's own enthusiasts.
if your opinion on the lfa is (to any significant degree) derived from how many seconds below (or above) 7'30" it is on the ring then you're missing the point.
lexus has created something truly special and they're going about its delivery to market the 'right' way.
as far as the gtr goes, my opinion on that would probably not be well liked so ill save that except to say that its a different car vs the lfa.
if your opinion on the lfa is (to any significant degree) derived from how many seconds below (or above) 7'30" it is on the ring then you're missing the point.
lexus has created something truly special and they're going about its delivery to market the 'right' way.
as far as the gtr goes, my opinion on that would probably not be well liked so ill save that except to say that its a different car vs the lfa.
10-19-10, 10:54 AM
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i dont come here often anymore but its sad that so many misunderstand the lfa, especially among lexus's own enthusiasts.
if your opinion on the lfa is (to any significant degree) derived from how many seconds below (or above) 7'30" it is on the ring then you're missing the point.
lexus has created something truly special and they're going about its delivery to market the 'right' way.
as far as the gtr goes, my opinion on that would probably not be well liked so ill save that except to say that its a different car vs the lfa.
if your opinion on the lfa is (to any significant degree) derived from how many seconds below (or above) 7'30" it is on the ring then you're missing the point.
lexus has created something truly special and they're going about its delivery to market the 'right' way.
as far as the gtr goes, my opinion on that would probably not be well liked so ill save that except to say that its a different car vs the lfa.
10-19-10, 11:19 AM
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if we choose agree to disagree, then that's the case. i see no difference except the ring time measurement started few years back (into mainstream) and the 0-60 has been longer. easier or harder to understand is a matter of perspective, the end result is a number.
less variables? really depends on how you see it, coz' in my eyes there are just as many variables including drivers and road conditions. and 100s of a second, should we consider it as no big deal or huge deal (out of 4 seconds)? and for very high performance car, isn't there all the talk that 0-60 is quite meaningless? who says all 0-60 are done on the same day/time/location/driver? no... if you think 0-60 is more accurate in any way, then imho that's pretty off.
case in point? 98 gs400 lexus claimed what, 5.8 0-60? of my whole ownership of the car, i have never been able to do better than 6.1, and a lot of people i know can't touch that. accurate?
less variables? really depends on how you see it, coz' in my eyes there are just as many variables including drivers and road conditions. and 100s of a second, should we consider it as no big deal or huge deal (out of 4 seconds)? and for very high performance car, isn't there all the talk that 0-60 is quite meaningless? who says all 0-60 are done on the same day/time/location/driver? no... if you think 0-60 is more accurate in any way, then imho that's pretty off.
case in point? 98 gs400 lexus claimed what, 5.8 0-60? of my whole ownership of the car, i have never been able to do better than 6.1, and a lot of people i know can't touch that. accurate?
10-19-10, 11:45 AM
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Yes you are correct, that for 0-60 lots of variables can change when comparing different cars. However, I meant that during one 0-60 run of the same car, it's rare that variables will change since a 0-60 run happens so quickly. This is in comparison to a 'Ring lap, where variables can change over one lap as I mentioned. The above-mentioned examples of the track being wet in one part and being dry in another part. These sort of variable changes you would not really experience during one 0-60 run with the same vehicle.
0-60 times can be done quickly so even magazines can keep trying for many times until they get what they think is the best result, but 0-60 times are always done on different tracks by different magazines and manufacturers, so for this reason comparing manufacturers' Nurburgring lap times is even more meaningful than comparing 0-60 times.
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10-19-10, 11:49 AM
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By the way SportAuto just did 7:34 with the 2011 GT-R, 4 seconds faster than the 2010 GT-R that did 7:38 (which happens to be what they got in the LFA too).
http://www.sportauto-online.de/testb...t-2822697.html
http://www.sportauto-online.de/testb...t-2822697.html
10-19-10, 03:17 PM
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Probably the same lames that get 0-100mkh in 4.1 seconds too! Guys seriously donno how to drive the Nissan or the LFA. They could only muster 4.2 to 100kmh in the LFA. They obviously just hop in the car with their noses high and figure they can go fast without knowing how the car behaves or even taking some pointers. That's what those euro mags are all about. Everything in their world should handle like a ferrari or porsche or lamborghini. Well there's a news flash, it's called Japan and the United States. They make cars just as fast and is most cases, faster than their euro-badged overpriced cars.
10-19-10, 06:30 PM
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Seriously the GT-R and LFA arguing is old and redundant. Two entirely different cars and markets. We all know the GTR is one of the best missles in regards to bang for the buck. We also know nurburgin times r for measuring contests and if that is all that mattered then all theae exotics would not sell.
Well they do even if the GT-R slowed the universe expansion.
I love the GT-R but I'm beyond tired of people thinking a low Ring time is the say all be all for cars.
It's funny they seem to have invented a catagory to claim how it's fastest.
Other catagories:
"fastest car built on Tuesdays"
"fastest car at the ring sharing a production line with Nissan skyline/g37s"
"fastest car where workers where blue underwear"
"fastest car timed before 9am with a 4 mph wind"
and the best
"fastest car for people to argue on the Internet"
Well they do even if the GT-R slowed the universe expansion.
I love the GT-R but I'm beyond tired of people thinking a low Ring time is the say all be all for cars.
It's funny they seem to have invented a catagory to claim how it's fastest.
Other catagories:
"fastest car built on Tuesdays"
"fastest car at the ring sharing a production line with Nissan skyline/g37s"
"fastest car where workers where blue underwear"
"fastest car timed before 9am with a 4 mph wind"
and the best
"fastest car for people to argue on the Internet"
10-19-10, 06:35 PM
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10-19-10, 06:38 PM
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Lexus is using mystery to sell it's car. Do not release any official numbers. Let speculation drive the market. Once you officially release the numbers, there is nothing to speculate, nothing to wonder, nothing to ponder, nothing to argue and nothing to be curious about.
10-20-10, 06:51 AM
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cut slicks anyone?
Last edited by shyguy16; 10-20-10 at 10:11 PM.