What are your choices for "overbuilt" Lexus/Toyotas? (or even other brands)
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I was just posting in the IS F forum how I've yet to see any IS F fail no matter how hard and long its pushed at the track.Most impressive was riding/watching/driving it from 8-5 at Moroso and not one IS F failed, only a burst tire one of the the cars. In reviewing the forum it seems rock solid as its been what 3 years almost?. I now think its one of those "overbuilt" Lexus/Toyota products that comes every once in awhile.
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I think it could be legendary like the Hilux for example. Just overbuilt for no damn reason![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
What are your thoughts or choices? Feel free to even list other brands!
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I think it could be legendary like the Hilux for example. Just overbuilt for no damn reason
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What are your thoughts or choices? Feel free to even list other brands!
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I don't want to sound biased because I owned one, but I honestly did find the IS300 to be arguably the best-built car I ever owned (my current Subaru Outback has also been outstanding), and arguably the best-built Toyota/Lexus product I've encountered. I have no long-term experience with the Toyota Land Cruiser, but, in my review, its build-quality was above any recent, purely Toyota-badged vehicle I've seen.
In terms of tank-like construction, though, I think my all-time award has to go to the Mercedes G (Gelandewagen).....the civilian version of a 1980's-vintage Austrian/Swiss/German military-transport vehicle. I know you've seen this vehicle, Mike......we've discussed I before. Close the door on one, and you will know exactly what I mean.
In terms of tank-like construction, though, I think my all-time award has to go to the Mercedes G (Gelandewagen).....the civilian version of a 1980's-vintage Austrian/Swiss/German military-transport vehicle. I know you've seen this vehicle, Mike......we've discussed I before. Close the door on one, and you will know exactly what I mean.
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For Toyota motors: We've seen the R series I-4 variants used for a long spell. From the mid 70's through 90's. Most notably in the pick-up trucks. I think the J series is also a top engine but they killed the I-6.
Chassis, the MX 6-8 Crown-Cressida were very good. I still see MX73 Cressida's on the roads here. The small truck chassis have been remarkable.
Datsun/Nissan 70's Z car.
Chassis, the MX 6-8 Crown-Cressida were very good. I still see MX73 Cressida's on the roads here. The small truck chassis have been remarkable.
Datsun/Nissan 70's Z car.
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Some late 80's Mercedes sedans were built like tanks. Then some 90's E-class models held their ground. I think early (70's) Benz diesels are also hard to kill.
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Applications:
* 1989–2000 Lexus LS 400/Toyota Celsior
* 1990–2002 Toyota Crown/Toyota Crown Majesta
* 1991–2000 Lexus SC 400/Toyota Soarer
* 1992–2000 Lexus GS 400/Toyota Aristo
* Toyota MR2 Le Mans Car
I remember reading that Toyota de-tuned it significantly simply to extend reliability.
It was (originally) 250hp yet it could easily handle like 500 hp, probably much more.
I drove my '93 SC400 to 254,000 miles and the engine still sounded and ran like new.
As far as overbuilt cars overall. First gen LS and SC were bullet proof tanks.
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In fact, American Shermans could not even penetrate a Panther from the front, yet they were known to have knocked out Panthers using phosphorous rounds, tricking the Panther crew into thinking their tank was on fire.
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Saying something is built like a tank when referencing quality is quite odd as tanks, especially German ones, were notorious for breaking down. ![Wink](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
In fact, American Shermans could not even penetrate a Panther from the front, yet they were known to have knocked out Panthers using phosphorous rounds, tricking the Panther crew into thinking their tank was on fire.
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In fact, American Shermans could not even penetrate a Panther from the front, yet they were known to have knocked out Panthers using phosphorous rounds, tricking the Panther crew into thinking their tank was on fire.
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Of course this is true with every Toyota which reflects the reliability.
An example of the most "underbuilt" drivetrains have been Chrysler drivetrains. Most owners experience countless leaks, blown head gaskets, ect...