huge tax breaks for Leaf (rated at 99 MPG)
11-20-10, 06:57 AM
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What is the point of this car. They say it has a range of 100 miles but if you use the AC and radio you will more than likely get 47 miles on a full charge. Also it says you need about 20 hours for a full charge??? Whats the point on spending 32k on this car if you cant use it ?
there is no point in electric cars.
11-20-10, 06:59 AM
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Plug-in electrics are pretty cool from a technology standpoint, but as a totally clean means of transit, they fall far short of their hype. Electrically powered vehicles may not produce the tailpipe pollution of an ICE, but they merely displace the combustion problem from the automobile to an electrical generating plant, most of which burn fossil fuels and are far more polluting than most automobiles.
What's worse is that during the overnight recharging cycle, energy demand may be at its lowest, but so are the winds that help dissipate smokestack pollution from these power plants, resulting in a thin miasma of gunk hanging near the ground at daylight. Then there is the ozone problem, the result of all of those charge-discharge cycles and electric motors.
Nuclear plants still have a considerable problem with what to do with spent fuel, and wind, water, and solar power aren't available except in specific geographic locations. On the Texas coast, we have a flat prairie, and on average, too many clouds for reliable solar, too little wind for sustainable wind turbines, and not enough elevation change for hydro power. Our tidal variation is maybe a foot, so that's out too. We're not alone in this, either, while some locations are blessed with ample renewable resources, the cost of pumping those electrons across the country is still prohibitive.
While alternative fuel research is a great idea, taking it public at this point on a major scale may risk sufficient public disappointment as to deflate the market for so-called "green" energy.
What's worse is that during the overnight recharging cycle, energy demand may be at its lowest, but so are the winds that help dissipate smokestack pollution from these power plants, resulting in a thin miasma of gunk hanging near the ground at daylight. Then there is the ozone problem, the result of all of those charge-discharge cycles and electric motors.
Nuclear plants still have a considerable problem with what to do with spent fuel, and wind, water, and solar power aren't available except in specific geographic locations. On the Texas coast, we have a flat prairie, and on average, too many clouds for reliable solar, too little wind for sustainable wind turbines, and not enough elevation change for hydro power. Our tidal variation is maybe a foot, so that's out too. We're not alone in this, either, while some locations are blessed with ample renewable resources, the cost of pumping those electrons across the country is still prohibitive.
While alternative fuel research is a great idea, taking it public at this point on a major scale may risk sufficient public disappointment as to deflate the market for so-called "green" energy.
not being burdened by energy bills must be the best feeling in the world.
11-20-10, 08:31 AM
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11-20-10, 08:41 AM
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What is the point of this car. They say it has a range of 100 miles but if you use the AC and radio you will more than likely get 47 miles on a full charge. Also it says you need about 20 hours for a full charge??? Whats the point on spending 32k on this car if you cant use it ?
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11-20-10, 10:43 AM
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about 16 hrs it would take for the 110V, and eight for the 220v. those who i kno who are on the waiting list don't drive that many miles. maybe 150 during the workweek and about 100 for the weekends. the 220v can be charger overnight when the owner goes to sleep, so it's ready for the next day. i'm looking forward to seeing these charging stations at malls and shopping areas, as it is already a hassle to find parking without those designated parking spots just for these electric vehicles; i know costco has a few in place, but rarely have i seen them being occupied. hopefully with more electric vehicles, that will soon change.
11-20-10, 11:42 AM
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11-20-10, 12:21 PM
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With state-of-the-art lithium-ion batteries? 
That's not the recharge-time figures I've seen.....but I guess it depends on the accuracy of the source. The sources I've seen, admittedly, aren't necessarily any better than yours.
That's not the recharge-time figures I've seen.....but I guess it depends on the accuracy of the source. The sources I've seen, admittedly, aren't necessarily any better than yours.
11-22-10, 05:15 PM
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11-22-10, 05:46 PM
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An electric car that doesn't use gallons, gets 99 miles to the GALLON. OK.
And an "equivalency" is constantly changing as electric and gas rates don't maintain the same pace of price change.
And look at where it says 0 emission/0 co2 ect. A misconception unless we create electricity out of thin air. Last time I checked, burning coal creates emissions/co2.
11-22-10, 06:29 PM
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An electric car that doesn't use gallons, gets 99 miles to the GALLON. OK.
And an "equivalency" is constantly changing as electric and gas rates don't maintain the same pace of price change.
And look at where it says 0 emission/0 co2 ect. A misconception unless we create electricity out of thin air. Last time I checked, burning coal creates emissions/co2.
11-22-10, 07:07 PM
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11-22-10, 08:00 PM
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I'm very much aware of that as stated in the passage you deleted out of my post.
I also started to explain how the system is flawed. Perhaps I don't get it and I'd be happy to hear from someone who can explain how electricity usage can be translated into an MPG equivalent when cost structures and price changes are completely different. Even if the calculations are based on energy output, I still don't buy the "equivalency".
I also started to explain how the system is flawed. Perhaps I don't get it and I'd be happy to hear from someone who can explain how electricity usage can be translated into an MPG equivalent when cost structures and price changes are completely different. Even if the calculations are based on energy output, I still don't buy the "equivalency".
11-23-10, 05:13 AM
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I understand the whole equivalency thing...but I do have a hard time wrapping my head around it. Nevertheless, 73 miles is how far the EPA deems the Leaf will go on a charge. Not so hot. Hopefully in a realworld driving it will best the EV1's 120 mile range.
11-23-10, 05:42 AM
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