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Current costs of batteries for EVs is between $1000 and $1200 per kwh.
Rav4 EV has "mid 30's" kwh.
Even at 1/3 of the cost, it is $10-$14k just for batteries alone. I read somewhere that Chevy hopes to have Volt batteries cost around $600 by the time they are made in quantities and car manufacturer backed battery group hopes for $400's in 2015.
So you can see how much of cost these batteries are. Not to mention issue of lithium ore and how China just banned the exports so you have to refine it there.
Toyota have invested in 2 JV's with ore mining companies to produce lithium ore by 2012-2013.
Rav4 EV has "mid 30's" kwh.
Even at 1/3 of the cost, it is $10-$14k just for batteries alone. I read somewhere that Chevy hopes to have Volt batteries cost around $600 by the time they are made in quantities and car manufacturer backed battery group hopes for $400's in 2015.
So you can see how much of cost these batteries are. Not to mention issue of lithium ore and how China just banned the exports so you have to refine it there.
Toyota have invested in 2 JV's with ore mining companies to produce lithium ore by 2012-2013.
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Toyota is set to offer a plug-in version of its popular Prius next year that is positioned to be the most inexpensive green car of its kind. It expects to sell about 20,000 Prius PHVs in the first year and to offer them at a $3,000 to $5,000 premium to the standard hybrid Prius, putting the car's price below $28,000.
By contrast, General Motors Co.'s Chevy Volt, also a plug-in hybrid that uses a different technology, sells for $41,000. The plug-in Prius can run on battery power for the first 13 miles, while the Volt can go 40 miles. The Nissan Leaf carries a retail price of $32,780 in the United States.
By contrast, General Motors Co.'s Chevy Volt, also a plug-in hybrid that uses a different technology, sells for $41,000. The plug-in Prius can run on battery power for the first 13 miles, while the Volt can go 40 miles. The Nissan Leaf carries a retail price of $32,780 in the United States.
Both also don't have the street-cred of a Prius, just because of the name, even if the electric/gas combo is a first for Toyota...
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yeah, thats because Prius can use 3x smaller batteries than Volt, plus they use batteries of their own production, in their own factories, from their own research, which is a lot cheaper than everyone else paying 3rd party supplier for everything.
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Toyota is set to offer a plug-in version of its popular Prius next year that is positioned to be the most inexpensive green car of its kind. It expects to sell about 20,000 Prius PHVs in the first year and to offer them at a $3,000 to $5,000 premium to the standard hybrid Prius, putting the car's price below $28,000.
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toyota just announced setting up of lithium ion batter production in two of their battery factories in japan, with 100,000 capacity per year in 2011.
http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...-begin-lithium
http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...-begin-lithium
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toyota just announced setting up of lithium ion batter production in two of their battery factories in japan, with 100,000 capacity per year in 2011.
http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...-begin-lithium
http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-...-begin-lithium
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The Prius plug-in uses 3 lithium ion battery packs, and from Toyota's own words, they are built to last the life of the vehicle. This is the same as the Ni-MH batteries used in current Toyota hybrids. Prius plug-in production model doesn't arrive until 2012, and I think in 2012 we will see other Toyota hybrids start to move to li-ion batteries.
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We'll see. Not yet, but I think they're close to being green-lighted for production Toyota hybrids.
The Prius plug-in uses 3 lithium ion battery packs, and from Toyota's own words, they are built to last the life of the vehicle. This is the same as the Ni-MH batteries used in current Toyota hybrids. Prius plug-in production model doesn't arrive until 2012, and I think in 2012 we will see other Toyota hybrids start to move to li-ion batteries.
The Prius plug-in uses 3 lithium ion battery packs, and from Toyota's own words, they are built to last the life of the vehicle. This is the same as the Ni-MH batteries used in current Toyota hybrids. Prius plug-in production model doesn't arrive until 2012, and I think in 2012 we will see other Toyota hybrids start to move to li-ion batteries.
this is why toyota, honda, ford are still using nimh for hybrids... there are not cost competitive yet (lion).
now for plugins, you need a lot of batteries and nimh is not only too heavy, but there is patent on large nimh batteries owned by one of the large petrol corporations who doesnt want to license it out
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thing is, you dont get much from moving to lion for hybrids... you save around 20kg which is not much but you also have much bigger costs of batteries.
this is why toyota, honda, ford are still using nimh for hybrids... there are not cost competitive yet (lion).
now for plugins, you need a lot of batteries and nimh is not only too heavy, but there is patent on large nimh batteries owned by one of the large petrol corporations who doesnt want to license it out![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
this is why toyota, honda, ford are still using nimh for hybrids... there are not cost competitive yet (lion).
now for plugins, you need a lot of batteries and nimh is not only too heavy, but there is patent on large nimh batteries owned by one of the large petrol corporations who doesnt want to license it out
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Also Toyota might learn a thing or two in terms of reducing battery costs from Tesla.
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