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Old 11-30-10, 09:28 PM
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Default Honda Insight gets much cheaper base model, new features for 2011

Honda Insight gets much cheaper base model, new features for 2011



The slow-selling Honda Insight hasn't exactly stolen any of the Toyota Prius' thunder since its introduction last year, and with new green cars like the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf ready to join the battle, the future of Honda's hybrid hatch doesn't look too bright. Still, the Japanese automaker has given the Insight a host of improvements for the 2011 model year, including a new base model that retails for $18,950 (including the $750 destination charge).

So, what do you lose gain with the base Insight? For starters, a downgraded stereo system is on hand, with a single CD player and two – yes, two – speakers. Audiophiles need not apply. Remote entry is standard on the base Insight, but if you want amenities like cruise control, a USB audio interface, center armrest and floor mats, you'll need to opt for the mid-grade LX trim. In other words, the new price leader is something of a municipal and fleet special. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the pricier EX now comes standard with steering wheel-mounted audio controls and can be optioned with navigation.

The Insight's 1.3-liter inline-four with Honda's Integrated Motor Assist carries over largely unchanged, with fuel economy rated at 40/43 miles per gallon, city/highway.

2011 Honda Insight Lineup Gains Standard Features and a New Entry Model

Gateway product to hybrid technology becomes even more affordable

Going on sale today, the 2011 Honda Insight hybrid gains new standard features and the addition of a value-oriented entry model that offers enhanced value, exclusive content and a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) starting at $18,200, plus a destination and handling charge1 of $750.

The range of Insight models for 2011 now starts with a new value-oriented base model, simply designated as "Insight." As before, the well-equipped "Insight LX" continues to be available, yet with additional features, along with the top-of-the-line "Insight EX," which continues to be available with the Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System™. All Insight models are equipped with Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) for 2011, which was previously exclusive to the Insight EX.

The new Insight base model includes remote entry and has exclusive content compared to the other models consisting of unique seating fabric and a basic audio system with CD player and two speakers. The Insight LX gains features for 2011, adding cruise control, a USB audio interface, center armrest storage console and floor mats. The Insight EX adds to the LX features with steering wheel-mounted audio controls (previously exclusive to the Insight EX when equipped with navigation).

The distinctively styled, five-passenger, five-door dedicated hybrid vehicle is powered by an Integrated Motor Assist™ (IMA™) system comprised of a 1.3-liter i VTEC® gasoline engine and a 10-kilowatt electric motor that together contribute to an EPA-estimated city/highway/combined fuel economy rating of 40/43/41 miles per gallon2. The Insight features the Ecological Drive Assist System (Eco Assist™), an innovation that can enhance efficient vehicle operation while providing feedback related to individual driving styles.

A sleek exterior features a highly aerodynamic side profile with a front-end design similar to the hydrogen-powered FCX Clarity, a marquee environmental vehicle for Honda. The interior offers a roomy passenger environment with a configurable rear seating and cargo area enhanced by 60/40 split fold-down seats.

Major features standard to the Insight include front, front-side and side-curtain airbags; VSA; an anti-lock braking system; a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT); Eco Assist; automatic climate control; tilt-and-telescope steering column; manual driver's seat height adjustment; power windows; an AM/FM audio system with CD player and two speakers; an auxiliary audio input for external digital music players; and much more.

The Insight LX adds or replaces to the Insight with cruise control (new to LX), a four-speaker audio system, USB audio interface (new to LX), armrest console (new to LX), floor mats (new to LX) and a security system.

The Insight EX adds or replaces to the Insight LX features with alloy wheels; steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters; an audio system with six speakers; heated side mirrors with integrated turn signals; and much more. Exclusively available on the Insight EX, the Honda Satellite-Linked Navigation System3 (6.5-inch screen) with voice recognition provides routing and guidance to individual addresses and more than 7 million points of interest within the continental United States. Models equipped with the navigation system also include Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® for hands-free operation of compatible mobile telephones, along with related steering wheel-mounted controls for voice activation of the navigation and hands-free telephone systems.

A 1.3-liter, 4-cylinder engine with Intelligent Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (i-VTEC) and a DC brushless electric motor forms the foundation of the IMA hybrid system. The electric motor, positioned in-line between the engine and the transmission, adds power during acceleration and in certain cruising situations, and recaptures energy from the vehicle's forward momentum during braking (regenerative braking).

The Insight's IMA system has the capability to operate exclusively on electric power in certain low- to mid-speed cruising conditions. It can also provide cylinder deactivation during deceleration and an idle-stop feature when the vehicle is stationary. With a 10.6-gallon fuel tank, the Insight delivers an estimated maximum driving range exceeding 400 miles. Models for sale in California and states that have adopted the California Air Resources Board (CARB) ZEV standards receive an Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV) emissions rating.

The Insight uses Eco Assist to help drivers improve fuel efficiency, both by altering vehicle functionality and providing driver feedback, with fuel-economy dependent on their given set of driving conditions. Pressing the ECON button can further enhance the efficiency of multiple vehicle systems: throttle control, CVT operation, idle-stop duration, air conditioning and cruise-control operation (if equipped). Eco Assist also provides feedback about driving style via a 3D-appearing background within the speedometer. The background changes colors from green to blue to reflect how efficiently or inefficiently the driver is accelerating or braking (green = efficient). The driver's results are continuously tracked as fuel efficiency ratings are shown per drive cycle and on a lifetime basis in the form of plant-leaf graphics that appear in the Multi-Information Display (MID). Up to five leaves can be 'earned' as the driver demonstrates a fuel-efficient driving style. A real-time score is shown in the Eco Guide MID screen.

Standard safety features on all Insights include dual-stage, multiple-threshold front airbags; front-side airbags with a passenger-side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS); side-curtain airbag system; anti-lock brakes with electronic brake distribution (EBD); driver's and front-passenger's active head restraints; and a front body designed to mitigate pedestrian injuries. All new Insights also feature Honda's Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure, which provides improved occupant protection and crash compatibility between vehicles of different sizes and ride heights in frontal crashes.

Honda is a leader in developing cleaner, more fuel-efficient vehicle technologies, including the original Honda Insight, introduced as America's first mass-produced hybrid car in December 1999. Honda is also a leader in the development of advanced alternatives to gasoline, including the zero-emission, hydrogen-powered FCX Clarity fuel-cell electric car, the world's most-advanced production fuel cell automobile.

Honda's diverse lineup of environmental vehicles also includes the Civic GX compressed natural gas-powered (CNG) sedan, the only retail CNG vehicle currently available from any automaker in the U.S., and three distinct gasoline-electric hybrid models: Civic Hybrid, CR-Z sport hybrid and Insight hybrid.

Honda was recently named America's "Greenest Automaker" for the fifth consecutive time by the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS). The award is earned by the company with the lowest combined score of its smog-forming and greenhouse gas emissions (primarily CO2) in its U.S. automobile fleet. Honda has led the UCS rankings of overall vehicle environmental performance since the first UCS study in 2000, marking a decade of Honda leadership in reduced vehicle emissions. Honda earned the recognition this year with an industry-best score based on model year 2008 data, the latest available for analysis.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ranks the 2011 Honda Insight as the third-best vehicle in the United States for fuel economy, tied with the Civic Hybrid, among all currently available 2011 model year vehicles evaluated by the agency.
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So, instead of keeping the same price but making it better, they decided to make it cheaper (price) and cheaper (quality).



The hybrid consumer wants advanced technology. Instead, you get a crap stereo with two friggin' speakers. WTF?!?
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To insult Americans, the Euro insight gets upgraded interiors and suspensions. We get an even more bare bones car.

They really don't get it.
 
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VW and now Honda are recently showing approaches that focus on downgrading with the hope of growing sales. Good luck with that approach.
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Im interested in the meeting they must have had to decide that two speakers was adequate for the base model.
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
So, instead of keeping the same price but making it better, they decided to make it cheaper (price) and cheaper (quality).



The hybrid consumer wants advanced technology. Instead, you get a crap stereo with two friggin' speakers. WTF?!?
Epic fail .

Also the price is only 8% cheaper. I don't think that qualifies as "much cheaper".

Two speakers, welcome to the 90s Honda .

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VW and now Honda are recently showing approaches that focus on downgrading with the hope of growing sales. Good luck with that approach.
Exactly. With the lofty sales goals VW has for the US in the next few years, I think they will end up sorely disappointed.

While some of the competition is UPGRADING and offering more quality, more features for the same prices, then you have VW and Honda who are downgrading with small price decreases.

The worst part is that this will alienate loyal VW and Honda buyers who expect a higher-quality or more featured-filled product.
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Dropping features to lower the cost seems like a great idea to me. Cars today are so full of standard features like power locks with remote keyless entry, etc. and consequently they cost alot more then the cars of ten, fifteen years ago.
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One of the biggest complaints I recall about the Insight is that it's not as nice as the Prius, not as well-made, feels cheap, etc. etc.



Of course the best solution is to make it worse.


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My bathroom iPod dock has more speakers than a base Insight. Also, my bidet has a heated seat and heated fan (*** dryer).

I would rather take a crap than drive a Honda Insight.
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Dropping features to lower the cost seems like a great idea to me. Cars today are so full of standard features like power locks with remote keyless entry, etc. and consequently they cost alot more then the cars of ten, fifteen years ago.
you really want manual locks on your car?
i could actually do without power seats though which add a huge amount of weight. manual controls are actually faster. only benefit to power seats IMO is memory settings.
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I'll keep my power door locks, lol (plus my nav, 8 speaker stereo, bun warmers, power windows w/express feature, power seats, remotes w/security system, leather, power moonroof, climate control w/dual controls, etc.), thank you.
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Two speakers? what the heck my TV has four lol. Honestly the base model, will only make the Insight look like a decent value to most but when they see what it has and then how much they have to spend to get some more features they will probably just forget about it and probably go with a Civic. You don't see people buy base models of Hondas usually. They usually go with the LX or EX models.
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every time I see one driving around I think "I wonder why they bought that car?"
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2 speakers Why are they even putting a radio in it?

Obviously Honda is clueless. What they needed to do is make every effort to increase the Insight's fuel economy while trying to maintain a price just shy of the Prius. If Honda thinks it's not selling because it's $1,000 too much, then they're sorely mistaken. It's because it sucks compared to the Prius. It get's 10 mpg less, looks way uglier, built cheaper, ect. Honda would have been better off trying to match the Prius even if it meant raising the price to $23K. It's something they should have done from the start. People aren't looking for a cheap knockoff.

On a side note, the Lexus LS has more speakers than 9 base Insights.


Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
My bathroom iPod dock has more speakers than a base Insight. Also, my bidet has a heated seat and heated fan (*** dryer).

I would rather take a crap than drive a Honda Insight.
Funniest post of the day!
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Originally Posted by whoster
One of the biggest complaints I recall about the Insight is that it's not as nice as the Prius, not as well-made, feels cheap, etc. etc.


I'll agee that the Prius has a substantially better hybrid drivetrain (and better rear headroom).........the Honda IMA system, for several reasons, is not very impressive in the way it operates. But I don't agree on the interiors or body sheet metal. To me, much of the 3Gen Prius, (which was not the case on the more-solid 2Gen model) feels like it is made out of cardboard or paper. The Insight's interior, while also using a lot of hard-plastic, definitely feels more solid...as does the sheet metal. Of course, the lightweight materials used in the new 3Gen Prius, together with the more efficient drivetrain, result in superb gas mileage that the Insight can't match.
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