NHTSA proposes mandatory backup cameras by 2014
04-01-14, 05:19 AM
#31
most mid to high range cars already had them as an option or a screen already. Not really going to affect these models. Now they have to design a screen and camera into the car which will drive up the price. Its going to affect the economy cars the most. The figures for the cost sound way too low. If it really did cost $150 per vehicle every vehicle would have it.
04-02-14, 10:26 AM
#32
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most mid to high range cars already had them as an option or a screen already. Not really going to affect these models. Now they have to design a screen and camera into the car which will drive up the price. Its going to affect the economy cars the most. The figures for the cost sound way too low. If it really did cost $150 per vehicle every vehicle would have it.
04-02-14, 11:50 AM
#33
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Putting cameras on the rear is fine................but I would oppose any plans to remove the side mirrors and put cameras instead.
Something that Tesla wants to do
Something that Tesla wants to do
04-02-14, 01:16 PM
#34
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Data shows that backup cameras have already been popular with consumers. They're included on slightly less than half all new models sold today, and a NHTSA analysis concluded they'd be available on 73 percent of all vehicles covered by the rule by 2018 anyway.
[~50% have it today, with ~73% by 2018 if no regulation came into effect]
The same analysis found that equipping a car with a backup camera would cost $43 to $45 per vehicle in a car already equipped with a visual display, and $132 to $142 for vehicles without one.
[~50% have it today, with ~73% by 2018 if no regulation came into effect]
The same analysis found that equipping a car with a backup camera would cost $43 to $45 per vehicle in a car already equipped with a visual display, and $132 to $142 for vehicles without one.
most mid to high range cars already had them as an option or a screen already. Not really going to affect these models. Now they have to design a screen and camera into the car which will drive up the price. Its going to affect the economy cars the most. The figures for the cost sound way too low. If it really did cost $150 per vehicle every vehicle would have it.
But that said, manufacturers have been anticipating this. New compact cars -- Corolla, Mazda3, Civic -- have it, and mid-size cars, including Camry (2013 models in Canada and 2014.5 models in the USA) have it now, and it will only increase; this regulation will merely speed up the adoption of it.
04-02-14, 01:23 PM
#35
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It is $45 with a screen and $142 without, which is a LOT of money. When GM refuses to change bad ignition switches that cost less than $1 each, $40 is a lot of money.
But that said, manufacturers have been anticipating this. New compact cars -- Corolla, Mazda3, Civic -- have it, and mid-size cars, including Camry (2013 models in Canada and 2014.5 models in the USA) have it now, and it will only increase; this regulation will merely speed up the adoption of it.
But that said, manufacturers have been anticipating this. New compact cars -- Corolla, Mazda3, Civic -- have it, and mid-size cars, including Camry (2013 models in Canada and 2014.5 models in the USA) have it now, and it will only increase; this regulation will merely speed up the adoption of it.
Car companies did the same thing with airbags--they fought tooth and nail against them, and claimed how all the added costs were going to destroy car sales--and that was hundreds of dollars per car for the system, in 1980s dollars. Guess what--air bags did not destroy the auto industry, and customers embraced them.
They charge you $100 for floor mats, for Pete's sake. They will easily make those dollars back...
04-02-14, 01:40 PM
#37
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Feds require all sorts of things on vehicles, from rear view mirrors, to anti lock brakes, to air bags, to minimum height requirements for headlights, to minimum bumper standards, to LATCH hooks, etc, etc. It's not like they are requiring all cars to come with heated seats--it's a relatively inexpensive safety device.
04-02-14, 02:27 PM
#39
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Well, I'm like you to at least some degree. I'm not a fan of Big Brother regs just for the sake of HAVING regs. But, with standard back-up cameras, it just might make some sense. The American population, overall, is aging as it is, and, for a number of reasons, it is more difficult for them to see out the back of today's vehicles which, style-wise, often put form over function. The new Camaro, of course, is especially bad, as are the VW CC, Mercedes CLS, and Toyota FJ Cruiser. But even run-of-the-mill family sedans, with their increasingly raked rear rooflines and thicker roof-pillars, are getting more and more difficult to see out of as well. The presence of those camers, overall, will probably cut down on both reverse-T-Bone accidents and kids/cyclists getting run over. Yes, it may increase the average price of a new car a little, but you can't put a monetary value on a kid's life.
04-03-14, 11:19 AM
#40
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Personally, I'm 50-50 on this.
But imho, even without government regulation, a feature like this would've already happened anyway.
Competition between auto brands and features being one.
Hence, a marketing and selling principle:
Features
Advantages
Benefits
But imho, even without government regulation, a feature like this would've already happened anyway.
Competition between auto brands and features being one.
Hence, a marketing and selling principle:
Features
Advantages
Benefits
04-03-14, 05:42 PM
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It's painful watching an elderly person back up. It usually takes up half of a good afternoon. Hopefully their brains allow them the ability to look at a screen while backing. You'd be surprised, that level of multitasking may be too much for them.
I do welcome them as standard equipment but also don't like that the Feds needed to add it to the long list of requirements. And people keep asking why car prices climb like they do.
I do welcome them as standard equipment but also don't like that the Feds needed to add it to the long list of requirements. And people keep asking why car prices climb like they do.
04-04-14, 05:10 AM
#42
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It's painful watching an elderly person back up. It usually takes up half of a good afternoon. Hopefully their brains allow them the ability to look at a screen while backing. You'd be surprised, that level of multitasking may be too much for them.
I do welcome them as standard equipment but also don't like that the Feds needed to add it to the long list of requirements. And people keep asking why car prices climb like they do.
I do welcome them as standard equipment but also don't like that the Feds needed to add it to the long list of requirements. And people keep asking why car prices climb like they do.
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