GM CEO: Toyota Prius is a "geek-mobile" that "I wouldn't be caught dead in"
12-15-10, 01:07 AM
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You keep missing the point. Toyota makes boring cars. In comparison, GM has a 550+ HP sedan that retails for $65K. The Z06 sells for $20K less than the GTR and is incredibly cheap to maintain. The Camaro was named World Car Design of the Year, Automobile Magazine All-Star, Ward's Interior of the Year, Kiplinger's and KBB Best Resale Value, Motor Trend's Driver's Choice, and a Consumer's Digest Best Buy. If these cars don't excite you, then maybe you really aren't into cars and you should go back to driving your hybrids and Camrys. To claim that GM doesn't have good products is frankly as stupid, if not more so, than what the GM CEO said.
12-15-10, 01:18 AM
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The way I see it, GM's CEO is talking like the proud parent of a kid who's about to step up the the plate for the first time at a baseball game. He's huffing and puffing and thinking his kid's gonna hit a home run.
The Volt is a brand new car testing out brand new technology. We all know that there is ALWAYS problems with a first generation car. Look at the Camaro. Didn't it have initial tranny problems? The Volt has way more unproven technology so I expect owners to have some problems. Get the popcorn ready.
But I guess that's the price you pay for not being caught dead in a Prius.
The Volt is a brand new car testing out brand new technology. We all know that there is ALWAYS problems with a first generation car. Look at the Camaro. Didn't it have initial tranny problems? The Volt has way more unproven technology so I expect owners to have some problems. Get the popcorn ready.
But I guess that's the price you pay for not being caught dead in a Prius.
12-15-10, 05:37 AM
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Best MPG car that Chevrolet built was the old Geo Metro, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_Metro#Geo_Metro, 42 MPG
12-15-10, 06:28 AM
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You keep missing the point. Toyota makes boring cars. In comparison, GM has a 550+ HP sedan that retails for $65K. The Z06 sells for $20K less than the GTR and is incredibly cheap to maintain. The Camaro was named World Car Design of the Year, Automobile Magazine All-Star, Ward's Interior of the Year, Kiplinger's and KBB Best Resale Value, Motor Trend's Driver's Choice, and a Consumer's Digest Best Buy. If these cars don't excite you, then maybe you really aren't into cars and you should go back to driving your hybrids and Camrys. To claim that GM doesn't have good products is frankly as stupid, if not more so, than what the GM CEO said.
Maybe "you are missing the point"? Gasp, perish the thought, that people might not like GM vehicles or have no interest in the vehicles YOU like! Enthusiasts don't have to be people that only want V-8s and sports cars. Enthusiasts can be people interested in quality and MPG. There is no "only one kind" of enthusiast.
Can you please defend the bailouts b/c its funny you are debating the "good cars" part but not the bailout part, which is the main part of most peoples arguments.
Damn geeks!
12-15-10, 08:47 AM
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You keep missing the point. Toyota makes boring cars. In comparison, GM has a 550+ HP sedan that retails for $65K. The Z06 sells for $20K less than the GTR and is incredibly cheap to maintain. The Camaro was named World Car Design of the Year, Automobile Magazine All-Star, Ward's Interior of the Year, Kiplinger's and KBB Best Resale Value, Motor Trend's Driver's Choice, and a Consumer's Digest Best Buy. If these cars don't excite you, then maybe you really aren't into cars and you should go back to driving your hybrids and Camrys. To claim that GM doesn't have good products is frankly as stupid, if not more so, than what the GM CEO said.
12-15-10, 08:55 AM
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Best MPG car that Chevrolet built was the old Geo Metro, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_Metro#Geo_Metro, 42 MPG
12-15-10, 08:59 AM
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Same, of course, with Chrysler, although that is another topic. And Chrysler, unlike GM, became Fiat's problem.....itself, of course, a company with heavy investment by the Italian government.
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12-15-10, 11:25 AM
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I wouldn't mind having a Prius for a daily driver since they're cheaper and efficient. GM sucks now. They had a pretty solid lineup with Pontiac, the Corvette, Camaro, XLR and some of the Cadillacs, but they killed a good portion of their good cars. Most cars today just straight up suck and look like "geek-mobiles" in my opinion and that goes for all major brands...
12-15-10, 01:11 PM
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And where would they be if that had happened? Right back on unemployment benefits (once the union-benefits ran out), taking more public dollars. So, it would have been public money either way.....bailout or unemployment benefits. The money comes from the same taxpayers (you and me), either way.
while i like some gm products, i will NEVER, EVER consider buying one until ALL the money is paid back, and despite claikms, they're nowhere close and likely never will be.
12-15-10, 01:27 PM
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I wouldn't mind having a Prius for a daily driver since they're cheaper and efficient. GM sucks now. They had a pretty solid lineup with Pontiac, the Corvette, Camaro, XLR and some of the Cadillacs, but they killed a good portion of their good cars. Most cars today just straight up suck and look like "geek-mobiles" in my opinion and that goes for all major brands...
Pontiac was a major downfall for GM and led them to near extinction. Thank God Pontiac is gone. Today's GM lineup is far and away the best lineup they've ever had.
no way. while yes, it would have been taxpayer money either way, 50bn is WAAAAAAAAAY more than the unemployment benefits would have been. plus, the UAW retirement benefits NEEDED to be changed/lessened, but the bail out kept them in place which is absurd in this economy.
while i like some gm products, i will NEVER, EVER consider buying one until ALL the money is paid back, and despite claims, they're nowhere close and likely never will be.
while i like some gm products, i will NEVER, EVER consider buying one until ALL the money is paid back, and despite claims, they're nowhere close and likely never will be.
That said, a proper bankruptcy probably would have kept GM's doors open for a restructuring, thus maintaining a large portion of those employees.
12-15-10, 02:45 PM
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GM has made nothing but miserable junk for about three decades. Even the Corvette, which is capable as a sports car, was built with vomit inducing quality in mind.
So they got 80 billion in bailout money and finally made some products that are more or less up to par. Hell, give 80bn to a janitor at McDonalds, and he'll be able to build decent cars.
The bottom line is that most of their products still suck. They still don't have any mainstream family models that don't induce vomit.
The volt is a bunch of hype and without government incentives it will be a major fail. People can hate on the Prius and other Toyotas as much as they want, but in the end of the day, the competition WISHES that even the most boring Toyotas were their models instead.
Toyota pioneered hybrids with the Prius and I believe Prius is still the only hybrid that actually turns profit. The commie douches at GM have no idea what profit is.
So they got 80 billion in bailout money and finally made some products that are more or less up to par. Hell, give 80bn to a janitor at McDonalds, and he'll be able to build decent cars.
The bottom line is that most of their products still suck. They still don't have any mainstream family models that don't induce vomit.
The volt is a bunch of hype and without government incentives it will be a major fail. People can hate on the Prius and other Toyotas as much as they want, but in the end of the day, the competition WISHES that even the most boring Toyotas were their models instead.
Toyota pioneered hybrids with the Prius and I believe Prius is still the only hybrid that actually turns profit. The commie douches at GM have no idea what profit is.