Pricing for All-New 2011 Lexus CT 200h to Start Below $30,000
12-17-10, 11:27 AM
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I wouldn't hold my breath....unless, of course, the small chance that the CT proves a sales-bust and dealerships have to discount them to move them off the lot. But, for several reasons, I don't think that is going to happen with the CT like it did with the HS...and, given the high costs of actually producing a hybrid, it will probably be harder for Lexus to make as much of a profit off of each CT sale as wth the HS.
12-17-10, 03:36 PM
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Although I haven't actually tried out a CT yet for myself, I agree with most of your points. But you forgot two other good ones. One, the CT has a more versatile body-style than the IS250 (assuming, of course, that they don't do another IS SportCross Wagon). Two, both the IS250 and I350 now offer AWD for bad-weather traction....something the CT lacks. But, conversely, the CT has standard FWD, which is better in bad weather than the IS's standard RWD.
12-18-10, 07:15 AM
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I'd hit that. Not to mention it might improve acceleration as well.
12-19-10, 04:01 PM
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You bought an extended warranty for your IS 250? LOL. What do you mean by fully loaded? Do you have Mark Levinson, Nav, park assist, headlamp washers, pcs/radar cruise? And what was the sticker price of your car?
I've driven the CT 200h extensively in Paris a few months ago. In my opinion, its more fun to drive, it has a better steering wheel, better seat, better driving position, overall better. Granted the CT is a fwd and is slower than the IS 250, but not by much, you have a big fuel savings advantage. I have an IS F so you can throw that comparison with the CT out the door.
Like I mentioned in the other thread you posted on, your IS 250 has a 17.1 gallon tank which requires Premium Unleaded fuel, at most you will average 30mpg on the highway. The CT on the other hand has a 9.9 gallon tank which requires regular unleaded only. EPA recently rated the CT at a combined 42 mpg. So if you do the math, its gonna cost more to operate your IS 250 in comparison to a CT.
I've driven the CT 200h extensively in Paris a few months ago. In my opinion, its more fun to drive, it has a better steering wheel, better seat, better driving position, overall better. Granted the CT is a fwd and is slower than the IS 250, but not by much, you have a big fuel savings advantage. I have an IS F so you can throw that comparison with the CT out the door.
Like I mentioned in the other thread you posted on, your IS 250 has a 17.1 gallon tank which requires Premium Unleaded fuel, at most you will average 30mpg on the highway. The CT on the other hand has a 9.9 gallon tank which requires regular unleaded only. EPA recently rated the CT at a combined 42 mpg. So if you do the math, its gonna cost more to operate your IS 250 in comparison to a CT.
So, I did the math with the numbers you stated.
Assuming one drives 13,000 miles per year with $3.17/gallon for 87 and $3.33/gallon for 91 (prices from a local 76 station yesterday):
CT200h: [(13,000 miles)/(42 mpg)] x ($3.17/gallon) = $981.19 /year in gas
IS250: [(13,000 miles)/(30 mpg)] x ($3.33/gallon) = $1,443.00 /year in gas
That comes out to $461.81/year or $38.48/month more in gas costs - LESS than the cost of 1 line for a smartphone.
12-19-10, 05:50 PM
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nice math. 
12-19-10, 06:40 PM
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I think it's absurd anytime there is a "hybrid" in the discussion everyone wants to pull out a calculator. MPG IS NOT THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE BUY HYBRIDS.
I can do the same for a petrol engine. I can break down why a ****ing goat is a better buy than an IS.
I can do the same for a petrol engine. I can break down why a ****ing goat is a better buy than an IS.
12-19-10, 06:59 PM
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Why else would you buy a hybrid and not need a calculator for your mileage. The only reason I would buy a hybrid would be to save gas. If the prius wasn't a hybrid and didnt get amazing gas mileage it would be useless.
12-19-10, 07:02 PM
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This is true. Research has shown that many hybrid buyers, particularly small economical hybrids like the Prius, Civic Hybrid, and Insight, purchase or lease them to make more of a low-emissions, environmental, clean-air statement than solely for MPG reasons. Of course, good mileage also makes an environmental statement, though, by being less-wasteful of the planet's oil resources.
12-19-10, 09:30 PM
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IMO, the RXh is the best combination of power and efficiency. Of all the hybrids on the road, it makes the most sense. where else can you find 30 combined mpg and 295hp?
12-20-10, 04:06 AM
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$461.81 is a lot of money for some. That money can go toward registration, insurance or even a car payment. Different people value different things.
The IS250 was only offered with a "sport package" aka Performance Luxury Plus package (sport suspension, sport pedals, silver sport console trim) in CA for 2006 model year. The other rare "sport package" was called the "X-Package" (special 18" 5 spoke wheels, sport pedals, lighted door sills, spoiler) for 07-09. Usual California destined IS 250 with NAV were packaged with the usual standards, 18" split 5 spoke wheels, HID, and sometimes the spoiler currently has an MSRP of around $39K.
I'm going to assume you paid $38k OTD, before TTL and warranty. Also did you trade in a car or put money down to get that "$38K OTD" deal? You also mention you paid $1180.00 for an extended warranty which covers the car for 10 years? Sounds like your dealership took you for a ride on the back end as most third party are marked up scams. The fine print in those third party warranties have loopholes and exclusions that screw you over when it comes time to make a claim (use of non-Lexus replacement parts, use of non-Lexus authorized service facilities, excluded parts & components, deductible fee, non transferable and etc). So in reality it's not a top of the line warranty if it's not backed by Lexus.
The only extended warranty I would ever consider for my Lexus would be the Lexus Extra Care plan which covers up to 8 years max. The third party ones are not even worth considering.
The IS250 was only offered with a "sport package" aka Performance Luxury Plus package (sport suspension, sport pedals, silver sport console trim) in CA for 2006 model year. The other rare "sport package" was called the "X-Package" (special 18" 5 spoke wheels, sport pedals, lighted door sills, spoiler) for 07-09. Usual California destined IS 250 with NAV were packaged with the usual standards, 18" split 5 spoke wheels, HID, and sometimes the spoiler currently has an MSRP of around $39K.
I'm going to assume you paid $38k OTD, before TTL and warranty. Also did you trade in a car or put money down to get that "$38K OTD" deal? You also mention you paid $1180.00 for an extended warranty which covers the car for 10 years? Sounds like your dealership took you for a ride on the back end as most third party are marked up scams. The fine print in those third party warranties have loopholes and exclusions that screw you over when it comes time to make a claim (use of non-Lexus replacement parts, use of non-Lexus authorized service facilities, excluded parts & components, deductible fee, non transferable and etc). So in reality it's not a top of the line warranty if it's not backed by Lexus.
The only extended warranty I would ever consider for my Lexus would be the Lexus Extra Care plan which covers up to 8 years max. The third party ones are not even worth considering.
My IS250 is a automatic RWD with the usual Navigation, HID's, sports package, spoiler, ventilated leather seats. No, it does not have ML, headlamp washers, radar (other than ML, were these others even options for IS250 in CA?). I'm not sure what's funny about buying an extended warranty for my IS250. I paid $1,180.00 for the 10-year warranty; just one incident would cover the cost I paid.
So, I did the math with the numbers you stated.
Assuming one drives 13,000 miles per year with $3.17/gallon for 87 and $3.33/gallon for 91 (prices from a local 76 station yesterday):
CT200h: [(13,000 miles)/(42 mpg)] x ($3.17/gallon) = $981.19 /year in gas
IS250: [(13,000 miles)/(30 mpg)] x ($3.33/gallon) = $1,443.00 /year in gas
That comes out to $461.81/year or $38.48/month more in gas costs - LESS than the cost of 1 line for a smartphone.
So, I did the math with the numbers you stated.
Assuming one drives 13,000 miles per year with $3.17/gallon for 87 and $3.33/gallon for 91 (prices from a local 76 station yesterday):
CT200h: [(13,000 miles)/(42 mpg)] x ($3.17/gallon) = $981.19 /year in gas
IS250: [(13,000 miles)/(30 mpg)] x ($3.33/gallon) = $1,443.00 /year in gas
That comes out to $461.81/year or $38.48/month more in gas costs - LESS than the cost of 1 line for a smartphone.
12-20-10, 09:34 AM
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I agree that it's a veratile and well-engineered product, but also pricey...a typical RX Hybrid, brand-new, will probably run close to 50K or more. Under some conditions, you might get a new CT for less than 30K......but, like I told Mike, unless it is a sales flop from low demand, I wouldn't hold my breath to see how many CTs actually go out the door for less than 30K.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-20-10 at 09:41 AM.