C&D: Hyundai Equus tops the LS460L AWD
01-02-11, 10:40 AM
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01-02-11, 10:46 AM
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Any you think C&D is biased?!?! 
Frankly, I find it humorously ironic how people on this forum want to pat themselves on the back over how fair and unbiased they are around here, unlike those nasty BMW fanbois or Honda ricers. Then comes a thread like this and shows how thin skinned people really are around here.
Frankly, I find it humorously ironic how people on this forum want to pat themselves on the back over how fair and unbiased they are around here, unlike those nasty BMW fanbois or Honda ricers. Then comes a thread like this and shows how thin skinned people really are around here.
As others have already pointed out, I too have doubts the Hyundai dealer network can market to potential upscale buyers. However, the fact that the Equus is competitive with the LS is very impressive.
01-02-11, 11:09 AM
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The Equus will find its niche in the market just like every other new car does, and just like the Genesis before it.
It sounds like a decent car, nothing revolutionary, and a year from now it will be another decent car on the makret, and something newer will have taken its place.
Nothing to get fired up about either way.
It sounds like a decent car, nothing revolutionary, and a year from now it will be another decent car on the makret, and something newer will have taken its place.
Nothing to get fired up about either way.
01-02-11, 11:10 AM
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I imagine if C&D picked the LS as the winner, people would be singing the praises of C&D
As others have already pointed out, I too have doubts the Hyundai dealer network can market to potential upscale buyers. However, the fact that the Equus is competitive with the LS is very impressive.
As others have already pointed out, I too have doubts the Hyundai dealer network can market to potential upscale buyers. However, the fact that the Equus is competitive with the LS is very impressive.
Again they tested an AWD LS vs a RWD Equus and the AWD LS is down to 357hp instead of 380.
Again if one wants more sport in a LS, they can buy a LS sport or buy from the substantial aftermarket that offers modifications to the LS.
01-02-11, 11:48 AM
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Whether the LS won or lost, this is still another worthless comparison from C&D. They tested a LOADED AWD LS against a RWD Equus? Why?
I also agree with others that C&D is definitely NOT qualified to test luxury cars, or more specifically luxury sedans.
Furthermore, I take C&D comments with a grain of salt here. I have heard from several reviews now that the Equus at high speed is "scary" to drive in terms of handling and stability. In comparison the LS is fairly calm at high speeds. I don't see how C&D could make such comments about the Equus with regards to tracking.
Also what about ride quality? That is far more important in a luxury sedan than the amount of body roll or feedback from steering and brakes.
I also agree with others that C&D is definitely NOT qualified to test luxury cars, or more specifically luxury sedans.
Furthermore, I take C&D comments with a grain of salt here. I have heard from several reviews now that the Equus at high speed is "scary" to drive in terms of handling and stability. In comparison the LS is fairly calm at high speeds. I don't see how C&D could make such comments about the Equus with regards to tracking.
Also what about ride quality? That is far more important in a luxury sedan than the amount of body roll or feedback from steering and brakes.
01-02-11, 12:07 PM
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Whether the LS won or lost, this is still another worthless comparison from C&D. They tested a LOADED AWD LS against a RWD Equus? Why?
I also agree with others that C&D is definitely NOT qualified to test luxury cars, or more specifically luxury sedans.
Furthermore, I take C&D comments with a grain of salt here. I have heard from several reviews now that the Equus at high speed is "scary" to drive in terms of handling and stability. In comparison the LS is fairly calm at high speeds. I don't see how C&D could make such comments about the Equus with regards to tracking.
Also what about ride quality? That is far more important in a luxury sedan than the amount of body roll or feedback from steering and brakes.
I also agree with others that C&D is definitely NOT qualified to test luxury cars, or more specifically luxury sedans.
Furthermore, I take C&D comments with a grain of salt here. I have heard from several reviews now that the Equus at high speed is "scary" to drive in terms of handling and stability. In comparison the LS is fairly calm at high speeds. I don't see how C&D could make such comments about the Equus with regards to tracking.
Also what about ride quality? That is far more important in a luxury sedan than the amount of body roll or feedback from steering and brakes.
01-02-11, 02:12 PM
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In the latest Car and Driver, they compared the two and the Hyundai beat the Lexus.
Reasons for the victory:
- better sticker price
- better warranty
- less body roll
- tracks better
- better NAV
- better transmission
- "grittier"
- better steering
- better feedback from brakes and steering
- better owner's manual
Personally I think Hyundai screwed up the introduction of this car to the U.S.
- the all-important reclining rear passenger seat in the Ultimate version is strictly for midgets
- everyone knows the 5.0 V8 (about 40 more HP) with 8 speed transmission is coming out next year. However, if the 4.8 can already beat Lexus, then Lexus better come out with something great to counter the 5.0.
- they priced it too high relative to the street price of the Lexus LS460. Hell, it's priced too high relative to the V8 Genesis which has the exact same engine/transmission for $27,000 less
That said, it's an impressive win. Now cue those that think C&D is worthless, biased against Lexus, are a bunch of hacks, etc.
Reasons for the victory:
- better sticker price
- better warranty
- less body roll
- tracks better
- better NAV
- better transmission
- "grittier"
- better steering
- better feedback from brakes and steering
- better owner's manual
Personally I think Hyundai screwed up the introduction of this car to the U.S.
- the all-important reclining rear passenger seat in the Ultimate version is strictly for midgets
- everyone knows the 5.0 V8 (about 40 more HP) with 8 speed transmission is coming out next year. However, if the 4.8 can already beat Lexus, then Lexus better come out with something great to counter the 5.0.
- they priced it too high relative to the street price of the Lexus LS460. Hell, it's priced too high relative to the V8 Genesis which has the exact same engine/transmission for $27,000 less
That said, it's an impressive win. Now cue those that think C&D is worthless, biased against Lexus, are a bunch of hacks, etc.
01-02-11, 02:54 PM
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a 10 year old sonata in 2019 may end up in better condition than the camry.
i have seen plenty of beat up 2000-2002 camrys. so camrys are nothing to brag about
anyway, I'd like to see a C&D review of Equus vs Rolls ghost.
the equus is the newcomer, and everyone likes to chit on the newcomer.
it needs a gang initiation.
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01-02-11, 03:05 PM
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times are changing.
a 10 year old sonata in 2019 may end up in better condition than the camry.
i have seen plenty of beat up 2000-2002 camrys. so camrys are nothing to brag about
anyway, I'd like to see a C&D review of Equus vs Rolls ghost.
the equus is the newcomer, and everyone likes to chit on the newcomer.
it needs a gang initiation.
.
a 10 year old sonata in 2019 may end up in better condition than the camry.
i have seen plenty of beat up 2000-2002 camrys. so camrys are nothing to brag about
anyway, I'd like to see a C&D review of Equus vs Rolls ghost.
the equus is the newcomer, and everyone likes to chit on the newcomer.
it needs a gang initiation.
.
Equus is certainly the newcomer as Hyundai is still behind. It took them 4 years to develop a car that Lexus had already started developing nearly 10 years ago.
01-02-11, 03:08 PM
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the 2010 Sonata might be stand a chance next to the 2010 Camry 10 years from now, too early to tell but the hybrid and turbo models are surely going to put Hyundai in a great position
01-02-11, 03:33 PM
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Why did they remove Air Suspension as standard from LS AWD?
Its a shame really because car like that should have it standard, much better ride. As a matter of fact it comes standard everywhere else except the US.
Its a shame really because car like that should have it standard, much better ride. As a matter of fact it comes standard everywhere else except the US.
01-02-11, 05:57 PM
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There are some pretty vast differences between the two. Before anything has said anything when comparing both vehicles, you have to have sat and experienced both. When I checked out the Equus last year, it was not comparable to the comfort of an LS. Like Lexus did, Hyundai will have to pay their dues, work hard and earn their respect, they know that already.
01-02-11, 07:04 PM
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times are changing.
a 10 year old sonata in 2019 may end up in better condition than the camry.
i have seen plenty of beat up 2000-2002 camrys. so camrys are nothing to brag about
anyway, I'd like to see a C&D review of Equus vs Rolls ghost.
the equus is the newcomer, and everyone likes to chit on the newcomer.
it needs a gang initiation.
.
a 10 year old sonata in 2019 may end up in better condition than the camry.
i have seen plenty of beat up 2000-2002 camrys. so camrys are nothing to brag about
anyway, I'd like to see a C&D review of Equus vs Rolls ghost.
the equus is the newcomer, and everyone likes to chit on the newcomer.
it needs a gang initiation.
.
Judging by the quality of even the newest Hyundai models, I doubt a 10 year old Sonata in 2019 will end up in better shape than a 10 year old Camry by then.
With problems like very thin exterior metal, poor anti-corrosion coatings on subframes, and suspect electrical wiring on fairly new Kia and Hyundai models (just to name a few), how well do you think a Hyundai or Kia will last long term?
01-02-11, 11:49 PM
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The important part is that you actually see them. How many 2000-2002 Sonatas do you see on the road? I literally have not seen any 2000-2002 Sonatas for months now on the roads. It's commendable that there ARE that many old Camrys on the road. Old Sonatas have probably either rusted away, or had major reliability problems and went to the scrap yard.
Judging by the quality of even the newest Hyundai models, I doubt a 10 year old Sonata in 2019 will end up in better shape than a 10 year old Camry by then.
With problems like very thin exterior metal, poor anti-corrosion coatings on subframes, and suspect electrical wiring on fairly new Kia and Hyundai models (just to name a few), how well do you think a Hyundai or Kia will last long term?
Judging by the quality of even the newest Hyundai models, I doubt a 10 year old Sonata in 2019 will end up in better shape than a 10 year old Camry by then.
With problems like very thin exterior metal, poor anti-corrosion coatings on subframes, and suspect electrical wiring on fairly new Kia and Hyundai models (just to name a few), how well do you think a Hyundai or Kia will last long term?
01-03-11, 12:08 AM
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just for counter argument (which i don't know the answer), i don't think hyundai sold as many sonata 2000-2002 compared to camry, if so then your comparison doesn't hold very strong. but i do get your point, old hyundai weren't as reliable. while i don't think recent hyundai quality (even the genesis) are as good as lexus, but they are far better than what they were in the past, and they are clearly improving
They are improving, but have yet to prove that they can match Toyota or Honda in long-term reliability. The Genesis, and all other recently new Hyundai models are still new. We have to wait and see several years before we get an idea of how reliable they will be.
I would also love to see the warranty claim data for Hyundai over the past several years, although that info is likely hard to get.