the gasoline thread
10-11-17, 06:49 PM
#166
Lexus Fanatic
Probably some truth on both sides.
Most of us, here, though, in this forum, are not mechanics or technicians, so we're probably not the best (or last) word on it. I'd take the word of people who actually service, clean, and rebuild engines for a living.
10-11-17, 08:34 PM
#167
Lexus Champion
I can feel the difference how my car drives when I fill up with different brand or no name brand gasoline. In my case Shell or Petro Canada premium are what I prefer. Also better go to a station where gas does not sit in the storage tank too long. Stale gas is no good for any engine. You'll notice it in mowers, chainsaws, snow thrower engines. If you don't see the differences, good for you.
10-11-17, 08:40 PM
#168
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Back to gas, there's lots of vague info out there, and some people swear by certain brands with little to nothing to base it on, and justifying it on the idea that their car runs well so it must be good which is flawed logic, but logic rarely wins the day in these threads.
10-11-17, 08:47 PM
#169
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Merged similar threads.
10-12-17, 05:11 AM
#170
Lexus Fanatic
I can feel the difference how my car drives when I fill up with different brand or no name brand gasoline. In my case Shell or Petro Canada premium are what I prefer. Also better go to a station where gas does not sit in the storage tank too long. Stale gas is no good for any engine. You'll notice it in mowers, chainsaws, snow thrower engines. If you don't see the differences, good for you.
When my snowblower was new, I was into the change the oil after x hours, drain the fuel each season, use Stabil, etc. But the thing is so heavy (it has a drain cap but it's horizontal) I said forget this (it was a substantial investment over 2 grand, so at first I wanted to maintain it). I used the same oil for 7 years and it actually etched the dipstick. Changed it 2 yrs. ago, leave the gas alone, just fill it when it is low (it consumes a lot, this is a 2004 model). Runs fine.
10-12-17, 05:17 AM
#171
Lexus Fanatic
dasani at least does have additives... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasani
Back to gas, there's lots of vague info out there, and some people swear by certain brands with little to nothing to base it on, and justifying it on the idea that their car runs well so it must be good which is flawed logic, but logic rarely wins the day in these threads.
Back to gas, there's lots of vague info out there, and some people swear by certain brands with little to nothing to base it on, and justifying it on the idea that their car runs well so it must be good which is flawed logic, but logic rarely wins the day in these threads.
He also was spot on in saying most people care about price, but it is also dependent on location, low price, bad location (difficult to get to) adds up to poor revenue...
10-12-17, 06:12 AM
#172
Lexus Fanatic
Back to gas, there's lots of vague info out there, and some people swear by certain brands with little to nothing to base it on, and justifying it on the idea that their car runs well so it must be good which is flawed logic, but logic rarely wins the day in these threads.
As has been pointed out here before (several times)....with all due respect, the basic question is not about the gas itself, but the quality of the additives. Gas is gas, and octane is octane......but not all additives are created equal.
10-12-17, 06:34 AM
#173
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true about gas but all we have to go on with additives is marketing claims and hearsay from a delivery guy?
10-12-17, 06:47 AM
#174
Lexus Fanatic
And DI engines are making the quality of the detergent additives less-relevant, since the spray-pattern often by-passes the very valves the detergent is intended to keep clean. A lot of of what what goes into today's Toyota products (particularly with the interior and front grilles) doesn't impress me.....but I DO like the idea of Toyota's combining DI and port-injection to get around that problem.
10-12-17, 07:50 AM
#175
Lexus Champion
I don't pay attention to the marketing or hearsay - I read directly several threads on Corvetteforum.com that Techron helped resolve fuel system issues (fuel sender issues, stuck gauges, etc).
10-12-17, 08:01 AM
#176
Lexus Fanatic
And DI engines are making the quality of the detergent additives less-relevant, since the spray-pattern often by-passes the very valves the detergent is intended to keep clean. A lot of of what what goes into today's Toyota products (particularly with the interior and front grilles) doesn't impress me.....but I DO like the idea of Toyota's combining DI and port-injection to get around that problem.
10-12-17, 04:45 PM
#177
Lexus Fanatic
Gotta love folks who insist upon techron. Even costco used to have pics of clean intake valves thanks to Costco Top Tier gasoline, nice one since the fuel doesn't come in contact on many cars since 2007. Well, even Scotty Kilmer is all mad his friend sold Slick 50 and done moved to Austin and now lives in a mansion. Some people are perfectly ok making a fortune on snake oil (Papa John is another)....guess Richard Petty had his STP. fool and his money theory
10-12-17, 07:15 PM
#178
Lexus Fanatic
Again, remember the additives are a can the size of a grills propane tank in an entire tanker of fuel. In other words, very little concentration in a tank of gasoline.
10-12-17, 08:23 PM
#179
Lexus Fanatic
In most cases, with most brands of cleaners, the instructions are one can per average full-tank of gas....which is usually 15-20 gallons. The intent, of course, is not to have to use the stuff very often, which would probably be the case if one was using Crap-ola fuel with no additives. At anyone from $6 to $30 a container (depending on the brand), that could get not only redundant but pricey. I also wouldn't use the stuff right before an emissions test.....all those carbon-particles being dissolved out of the engine have nowhere to go but out the exhaust, where, in a high-enough concentration, they could overwhelm the catalytic converter and (in diesels) the urea-injection.
10-13-17, 05:08 AM
#180
Lexus Fanatic
In most cases, with most brands of cleaners, the instructions are one can per average full-tank of gas....which is usually 15-20 gallons. The intent, of course, is not to have to use the stuff very often, which would probably be the case if one was using Crap-ola fuel with no additives. At anyone from $6 to $30 a container (depending on the brand), that could get not only redundant but pricey. I also wouldn't use the stuff right before an emissions test.....all those carbon-particles being dissolved out of the engine have nowhere to go but out the exhaust, where, in a high-enough concentration, they could overwhelm the catalytic converter and (in diesels) the urea-injection.