Comparison: Entry-Level Fullsize Luxury Sedans (Spoilers)LS/S/7/A8/Panamera/XJ/Equus
#31
Opinions are subjective so I'm not going to harp on it at length, but I think that for most people, LS, S and 7 are tops in terms of "snobbery" or badgehoreness in this class. XJ and A8 are also-rans that are trying to stage a comeback despite Jag's former glory days and Audi's recent surge, so I struggle to see them as topping the LS in that category.
#32
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Performance came in 5th, Snobbery was 6th (i get the biased towards Japanese brands), but Tech-Geek was 6th also? It has the self park, and the same features as the other car makes, such as lane departure, led headlights, and radar cruise control, right? But yet, it was ranked at #4 overall?
i am not ditching the ls460 on their tech, they have some very cool stuff, like mark levinson. but overall, it can definitely use a bit more refresh on their tech too (since 2007). they didn't even get their ipod integration to work right until very recently, if at all.
but with all that said, i do think 6 is a bit low. most of these reviews are pro euros anyway, nothing new anymore
#35
If it was me, based off of these numbers, this is how I would rank them overall:
PERFORMANCE
1. Porsche 77
2. Audi 75
3. Jaguar 69
4. BMW 66
5. Lexus 59
6. Hyundai 56
7. Mercedes-Benz 48
LEASE RESIDUAL VALUE/MONTHLY PAYMENT*
1. Lexus 52%/$1557
2. Jaguar 52%/$1649
3. Hyundai 51%/$1172
4. BMW 48%/$1719
5. Audi 45%/$1904
6. Porsche 44%/$1976
7. Mercedes-Benz 40%/$2016
JDPOWER QUALITY: IQS VDS*
1. Porsche 83 110
2. Lexus 88 115
3. Mercedes-Benz 87 142
4. Hyundai 102 148
5. BMW 113 165
6. Audi 111 182
7. Jaguar 130 175
COMFORT
1. Lexus
2. Mercedes
3. Hyundai
4. Audi
5. Jag
6. BMW
7. Porsche
TECH-GEEK GADGETRY
1. Audi (LED headlights, Drive Select, handwriting input)
2. Hyundai (Lane-Departure, radar cruise control)
3. Porsche (highly customizable cockpit displays, PDK, auto-stop)
4. BMW (active anti-roll bars, iDrive customizability)
5. Mercedes (Hybrid drive, auto-stop)
6. Lexus (self-parking feature)
7. Jaguar
SOUND SYSTEM QUALITY
1. Lexus Mark Levinson
2. Jaguar Bowers & Wilkins
3. Hyundai Lexicon
4. BMW base (unbranded)
5. Porsche Bose Surround
6. Audi base (Bose)
7. Mercedes-Benz base (harman/kardon)
LABEL SNOBBERY
1. Porsche
2. Mercedes-Benz
3. BMW
4. Jag
5. Audi
6. Lexus
7. Hyundai
Overall Ranking
1. Lexus: 34/49
2. Porsche: 32/49
3. Audi: 27/49
4. Jaguar: 26/49
4. BMW: 26/49
4. Hyundai: 26/49
5. Mercedes: 23/49
But thats just how I would do it, based off of the rankings from the above. I don't know, I just have this mindset that Lexus is the best Luxury carmake for the common consumer, and I want to see it high up there in the ranks.
PERFORMANCE
1. Porsche 77
2. Audi 75
3. Jaguar 69
4. BMW 66
5. Lexus 59
6. Hyundai 56
7. Mercedes-Benz 48
LEASE RESIDUAL VALUE/MONTHLY PAYMENT*
1. Lexus 52%/$1557
2. Jaguar 52%/$1649
3. Hyundai 51%/$1172
4. BMW 48%/$1719
5. Audi 45%/$1904
6. Porsche 44%/$1976
7. Mercedes-Benz 40%/$2016
JDPOWER QUALITY: IQS VDS*
1. Porsche 83 110
2. Lexus 88 115
3. Mercedes-Benz 87 142
4. Hyundai 102 148
5. BMW 113 165
6. Audi 111 182
7. Jaguar 130 175
COMFORT
1. Lexus
2. Mercedes
3. Hyundai
4. Audi
5. Jag
6. BMW
7. Porsche
TECH-GEEK GADGETRY
1. Audi (LED headlights, Drive Select, handwriting input)
2. Hyundai (Lane-Departure, radar cruise control)
3. Porsche (highly customizable cockpit displays, PDK, auto-stop)
4. BMW (active anti-roll bars, iDrive customizability)
5. Mercedes (Hybrid drive, auto-stop)
6. Lexus (self-parking feature)
7. Jaguar
SOUND SYSTEM QUALITY
1. Lexus Mark Levinson
2. Jaguar Bowers & Wilkins
3. Hyundai Lexicon
4. BMW base (unbranded)
5. Porsche Bose Surround
6. Audi base (Bose)
7. Mercedes-Benz base (harman/kardon)
LABEL SNOBBERY
1. Porsche
2. Mercedes-Benz
3. BMW
4. Jag
5. Audi
6. Lexus
7. Hyundai
Overall Ranking
1. Lexus: 34/49
2. Porsche: 32/49
3. Audi: 27/49
4. Jaguar: 26/49
4. BMW: 26/49
4. Hyundai: 26/49
5. Mercedes: 23/49
But thats just how I would do it, based off of the rankings from the above. I don't know, I just have this mindset that Lexus is the best Luxury carmake for the common consumer, and I want to see it high up there in the ranks.
#37
Lexus Champion
Good thread Mike!
I might have to put you on retainer as my personal car shopper with all the threads you've been starting recently. You seem to be all over my shopping list.
I might have to put you on retainer as my personal car shopper with all the threads you've been starting recently. You seem to be all over my shopping list.
#38
Lexus Test Driver
The more I see the new A8 on the road, the more I fall in love with it and respect Audi. Good article.
#39
That's the problem with a lot of brands. I know when car shopping, it was hard to configure certain Hondas/Toyotas. I think it helps keep costs down to streamline production. With a lot of European mfgs, cost is higher but you can custom order your car without ordering unnecessary bundled packages.
#40
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The option is hit or miss with the sport. It also has only one interior color choice as we know. That said I still love it and its a great first effort.
hhaha, thanks!
I have yet to see one on the road. Audi as we all agree has stepped the game up.
Welcome, glad to see you make it here!
Welcome, glad to see you make it here!
#41
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#43
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Interesting quote about the Equus
March issue of Motor Trend tests 7 luxury vehicles against each other.
Also in the article is a great quote about the Equus.
Here's the order the 7 finished.
BMW 740i
Porsche Panamera
Audi A8
Lexus LS460
Jaguar xjl
MB s400 Hybrid(hybrid?)
Hyundai Equus
Road test editor Carlos Lago on the Equus.
"Hyundai is paint by numbers,while the rest attempted making art"
Top 3 in Performance
Porsche
Audi
Jaguar
Lease residual
Lexus
Jaguar
Hyundai(how would they know now?)
JD Power Quality IQS VDS
Porsche
Lexus
Mercedes
Comfort
Lexus
Mercedes
Hyundai
Tech Geek Gadgets
Audi
Hyundai
Porsche
Sound System
Lexus ML
Jaguar Bowers and Wilkens
Hyundai Lexicon
Label Snobbery
Porsche
Mercedes
BMW
Also in the article is a great quote about the Equus.
Here's the order the 7 finished.
BMW 740i
Porsche Panamera
Audi A8
Lexus LS460
Jaguar xjl
MB s400 Hybrid(hybrid?)
Hyundai Equus
Road test editor Carlos Lago on the Equus.
"Hyundai is paint by numbers,while the rest attempted making art"
Top 3 in Performance
Porsche
Audi
Jaguar
Lease residual
Lexus
Jaguar
Hyundai(how would they know now?)
JD Power Quality IQS VDS
Porsche
Lexus
Mercedes
Comfort
Lexus
Mercedes
Hyundai
Tech Geek Gadgets
Audi
Hyundai
Porsche
Sound System
Lexus ML
Jaguar Bowers and Wilkens
Hyundai Lexicon
Label Snobbery
Porsche
Mercedes
BMW