2012 Honda Civic Released (Updated)...Hyundai lol'd
02-17-11, 05:46 PM
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LOL at the interior. Apart from the gauges and nav, that is such a dated and completely plain interior. It makes a Corolla interior look modern; it even makes the previous-gen Civic interior look modern 
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Also what's with listing only highway fuel economy? Where are the city mpg numbers Honda? Afraid to show them? Nice highway economy improvements, but not class-leading.
The regular Civic gets basically zero powertrain refinements, apart from slight mpg boosts. The Civic Si remains with the same power, although it gets more torque.
Also have to laugh at that HUGE wheel gap. The Civic Si doesn't even look sporty anymore; it just looks dorky. I'd buy a Scion tC over this new Si, and I don't even like the tC styling that much.
Honda also needs to stop with the rice-looking "i-VTEC" and "DOHC" exterior stickers/signage. This is the not the 80s anymore Honda. It makes the cars look dated and tacky.
I get almost a Chevy Cobalt vibe looking at the rear end of the Si.
Only thing I can give Honda credit for it that it looks more like car than the previous-gen.
Absolutely have zero interest in this product, but it will sell because it's bland.
.Also what's with listing only highway fuel economy? Where are the city mpg numbers Honda? Afraid to show them? Nice highway economy improvements, but not class-leading.
The regular Civic gets basically zero powertrain refinements, apart from slight mpg boosts. The Civic Si remains with the same power, although it gets more torque.
Also have to laugh at that HUGE wheel gap. The Civic Si doesn't even look sporty anymore; it just looks dorky. I'd buy a Scion tC over this new Si, and I don't even like the tC styling that much
.Honda also needs to stop with the rice-looking "i-VTEC" and "DOHC" exterior stickers/signage. This is the not the 80s anymore Honda. It makes the cars look dated and tacky.
I get almost a Chevy Cobalt vibe looking at the rear end of the Si.
Only thing I can give Honda credit for it that it looks more like car than the previous-gen.
Absolutely have zero interest in this product, but it will sell because it's bland.
02-17-11, 05:59 PM
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the interior is fine for an economy car.
the exterior is a letdown.
what's up with the tiny fixed piece of glass near the side mirrors? why did they do that....
the exterior is a letdown.
what's up with the tiny fixed piece of glass near the side mirrors? why did they do that....
02-17-11, 06:07 PM
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02-17-11, 06:13 PM
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What's sad is that this car will still sell, if only because people seem to be programmed to believe that the Civic is the ONLY cheap car out there to buy or something. This is a conversation I had recently with one of my girl friends looking for a new car at this price bracket:
Her: Well I want a new car, so it's basically the Corolla or Civic right? I mean the Corolla is boring, so the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Mazda 3
Her: My parents told me the Civic is better. Plus my friend has a Mazda 3. So I should go with the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Hyundai Elantra
Her: A Korean car? Yeah right! So I should go with the Civic right?
etc. etc. etc.
A few days later I sent her a picture of the new Elantra without telling her what it was and she fell in love with it.
Her: "IS THIS THE NEW CIVIC?!?!?!"
smh
Her: Well I want a new car, so it's basically the Corolla or Civic right? I mean the Corolla is boring, so the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Mazda 3
Her: My parents told me the Civic is better. Plus my friend has a Mazda 3. So I should go with the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Hyundai Elantra
Her: A Korean car? Yeah right! So I should go with the Civic right?
etc. etc. etc.
A few days later I sent her a picture of the new Elantra without telling her what it was and she fell in love with it.
Her: "IS THIS THE NEW CIVIC?!?!?!"
smh
02-17-11, 06:22 PM
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For sales, yes it is good. Just to clarify, I find it disappointing and mediocre that Honda is copying an old Toyota in rear end styling. However, it WILL sell simply because it is bland.
I may not like it, but I am still aware of what the market likes, and the market likes bland.
However, while looking bland, the rear also looks dated. It's possible to make a bland design look modern as opposed to dated, there is a difference in that regard. So there is a small chance consumers may shun this Civic for it's dated design, even if it is bland. It is a small chance though and unlikely to happen.
Slight similarity? It's quite a bit more than that. Honda went with the same general shape as the 5th-gen Camry rear lights first all. They also went with the same reverse light shape and arrangement as the 5th gen Camry.
Honda just made the outer edges of the tails a bit sharper and less round. Otherwise, the resemblance is very similar.
No. It's because there is a double standard. When Toyota does something bland like the new Avalon, it is heavily criticized, despite the fact the Avalon targets a non-sporty and older demographic.
When Honda does bland *and* dated design on a new model, it's supposed to get a free pass from criticism?
Yes the Civic is a sub-20K car. However, ALL kinds of buyers purchase the Civic, from young to old.
I'm not criticizing this design because it's bland. It should be bland, and I'm glad Honda made it look more like a car and less like a spaceship. I'm criticizing the design for being unoriginal and dated.
There is a double standard here. Toyota gets heavily criticized here on CL, which is ironic given it's a Lexus forum.
Yet Honda should be given a free pass from criticism?
I may not like it, but I am still aware of what the market likes, and the market likes bland.
However, while looking bland, the rear also looks dated. It's possible to make a bland design look modern as opposed to dated, there is a difference in that regard. So there is a small chance consumers may shun this Civic for it's dated design, even if it is bland. It is a small chance though and unlikely to happen.
Slight similarity? It's quite a bit more than that. Honda went with the same general shape as the 5th-gen Camry rear lights first all. They also went with the same reverse light shape and arrangement as the 5th gen Camry.
Honda just made the outer edges of the tails a bit sharper and less round. Otherwise, the resemblance is very similar.
No. It's because there is a double standard. When Toyota does something bland like the new Avalon, it is heavily criticized, despite the fact the Avalon targets a non-sporty and older demographic.
When Honda does bland *and* dated design on a new model, it's supposed to get a free pass from criticism?
Yes the Civic is a sub-20K car. However, ALL kinds of buyers purchase the Civic, from young to old.
I'm not criticizing this design because it's bland. It should be bland, and I'm glad Honda made it look more like a car and less like a spaceship. I'm criticizing the design for being unoriginal and dated.
There is a double standard here. Toyota gets heavily criticized here on CL, which is ironic given it's a Lexus forum.
Yet Honda should be given a free pass from criticism?
i think 1998 sonata came out first.
02-17-11, 06:25 PM
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What's sad is that this car will still sell, if only because people seem to be programmed to believe that the Civic is the ONLY cheap car out there to buy or something. This is a conversation I had recently with one of my girl friends looking for a new car at this price bracket:
Her: Well I want a new car, so it's basically the Corolla or Civic right? I mean the Corolla is boring, so the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Mazda 3
Her: My parents told me the Civic is better. Plus my friend has a Mazda 3. So I should go with the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Hyundai Elantra
Her: A Korean car? Yeah right! So I should go with the Civic right?
etc. etc. etc.
A few days later I sent her a picture of the new Elantra without telling her what it was and she fell in love with it.
Her: "IS THIS THE NEW CIVIC?!?!?!"
smh
Her: Well I want a new car, so it's basically the Corolla or Civic right? I mean the Corolla is boring, so the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Mazda 3
Her: My parents told me the Civic is better. Plus my friend has a Mazda 3. So I should go with the Civic right?
Me: Well how about the Hyundai Elantra
Her: A Korean car? Yeah right! So I should go with the Civic right?
etc. etc. etc.
A few days later I sent her a picture of the new Elantra without telling her what it was and she fell in love with it.
Her: "IS THIS THE NEW CIVIC?!?!?!"
smh
What is SCARY is they DELAYED the Civic to make it better and make it smaller and more competitive and this is what they came up with?
It is ridiculous that the latest Prius debuted first and now the Insight, CR-Z and new Civic hybrid are not close to its MPG. It is utterly amazing to think this.
It is clear Honda is satisfied selling average and ugly to loyal fanbois and to those that buy b/c of the badge. There is no excuse for this kind of debut.
WHERE IS THE CONNECTIVITY?
02-17-11, 06:43 PM
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Next-gen Corolla is supposed to be a big upgrade over the current Corolla.
Toyota will likely push Entune on all new models, including the next Corolla. This is actually something Hyundai and others have to worry about. Ford and Toyota now both have sophisticated infotainment systems, with the Toyota one debuting in a few months. GM supposedly is also going to introduce it's own infotainment system later this year.
One thing Toyota better get right is having at least 40 mpg highway on all models for the next-gen Corolla.
Toyota will likely push Entune on all new models, including the next Corolla. This is actually something Hyundai and others have to worry about. Ford and Toyota now both have sophisticated infotainment systems, with the Toyota one debuting in a few months. GM supposedly is also going to introduce it's own infotainment system later this year.
One thing Toyota better get right is having at least 40 mpg highway on all models for the next-gen Corolla.
02-17-11, 06:56 PM
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Next-gen Corolla is supposed to be a big upgrade over the current Corolla.
Toyota will likely push Entune on all new models, including the next Corolla. This is actually something Hyundai and others have to worry about. Ford and Toyota now both have sophisticated infotainment systems, with the Toyota one debuting in a few months. GM supposedly is also going to introduce it's own infotainment system later this year.
One thing Toyota better get right is having at least 40 mpg highway on all models for the next-gen Corolla.
Toyota will likely push Entune on all new models, including the next Corolla. This is actually something Hyundai and others have to worry about. Ford and Toyota now both have sophisticated infotainment systems, with the Toyota one debuting in a few months. GM supposedly is also going to introduce it's own infotainment system later this year.
One thing Toyota better get right is having at least 40 mpg highway on all models for the next-gen Corolla.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/17/c...-toyota-entun/
02-17-11, 07:57 PM
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02-17-11, 08:04 PM
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but i agree all, that civic (interior especially) is monumentally ugly. 
i don't get the asymmetric interior / angled center stack. it's really hard to make that look good, and that one isn't good.
i don't get the asymmetric interior / angled center stack. it's really hard to make that look good, and that one isn't good.