View Poll Results: Will Manual Cars Last?
Yes, they will always be around.
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No, they will be obsolete someday.
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Will Manual Cars Ever Be Obsolete?
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Depends on the country; eg. less than 5% of cars sold in Italy are automatics so in some markets manuals have some way to go before becoming obsolete. A man driving an ordinary auto would be regarded as a homosexual there (not that there's anything wrong with that of course!
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I voted they will always be around because of this popularity in other countries. If sales of manuals around the world were as low as America, manuals would have been gone altogether years ago. In Europe and elsewhere, however, manuals are the norm and automatics are for the lazy not interested in driving. Until this mentality changes, manuals will always be available - at least in those countries. Manufacturers may just choose to not offer them in the US, as is already the case with many models.
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I'm pretty sure it'll fade away sometime in the future....
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Considering how most manuals are the cheapest econoboxes, a friend of mine bought a Mazda 3, the manual Mazda3s on the lot had manual windows and no AC, the next model up had the auto trans, actually the more popular model that sells but they stock the stripped 3 cause it's cheap and just that cheap, the only other manuals on the lot were in the Mazda speed cars![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
The other cars I know of that are performance oriented are usually selectively ordered with manuals and generally sit longer before bought, and or are special ordered with a manual.
It just seems like the manual is on the way out, the auto has achieved better performance and fuel ratings
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The other cars I know of that are performance oriented are usually selectively ordered with manuals and generally sit longer before bought, and or are special ordered with a manual.
It just seems like the manual is on the way out, the auto has achieved better performance and fuel ratings
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I cannot respond to this poll because the two answer choices are responses for different questions. Will MTs become obselete and will they last are two different questions.
But not true in all cases. Prime example, the brand new Cruze Eco. With a 6MT it is rated for 42 MPG on the highway. With a 6AT it only recieves a 37 MPG rating. That is a wide gap.
My take on it is that is way more fun to drive a stick and since Subaru only offers their most powerful cars exclusively in a 6MT I will continue to buy em. This shiftable automatic crap is exactly that. When you try and change gears in the IS half of time it ignores you. And when you stop it switches to 4th gear. It is awful.
My take on it is that is way more fun to drive a stick and since Subaru only offers their most powerful cars exclusively in a 6MT I will continue to buy em. This shiftable automatic crap is exactly that. When you try and change gears in the IS half of time it ignores you. And when you stop it switches to 4th gear. It is awful.
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My take on it is that is way more fun to drive a stick and since Subaru only offers their most powerful cars exclusively in a 6MT I will continue to buy em.
This shiftable automatic crap is exactly that. When you try and change gears in the IS half of time it ignores you. And when you stop it switches to 4th gear. It is awful.
But make sure that you have the tranny in manual-shift mode first. Some units will allow the use of the paddles or bump-lever-shift even in full-auto mode, but they don't revert back to 1st at a full-stop....they assume you still want it in full-auto.
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I hope they'll stay..... As I see it, with manual you pretty much get a full control of the car. Auto = is only like 50% control, electronics is doing the rest for you. That is something I cant fully trust. Plus, auto is taking all the fun away from you. I mean, can you really make a hard right/left turn @ 60 mph? You'll probably end up dead lol. With manual transmission you can easily make that turn.
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I hope they'll stay..... As I see it, with manual you pretty much get a full control of the car. Auto = is only like 50% control, electronics is doing the rest for you. That is something I cant fully trust. Plus, auto is taking all the fun away from you. I mean, can you really make a hard right/left turn @ 60 mph? You'll probably end up dead lol. With manual transmission you can easily make that turn.
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The "less engaging" argument is lame and typically spoken by people who perceive their driving skills to be better than they actually are. The new systems (ie. DCT/PDK/etc) are simply faster, easier to operate and safer. You NEVER miss a shift, grind your gears, bog your engine, over rev, etc.
No matter how great your skills are they will never be better than the new systems.
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My 2002 530i was also at 130k miles when I sold it, and people have said that bmws begin to fall apart after 100k miles, and mines was starting to fall apart around 110-115k. I had to sell it, otherwise I was going to have thousands of dollars worth of services done to my car, which honestly just wasn't worth it.
BMWs look nice, but they're not reliable. If I get one, I would want it to be new, because used is a no-no. But, why get it new? A Fully Loaded 535i is over priced by $10-$15k than a fully loaded GS350. Plus, Lexus has better reliability, and maintenance won't be as expensive. Lexus!
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I daily drive my manual tC 400+ miles in socal traffic w/ an act clutch and fidanza lightweight flywheel. I would never dream of replacing it w/ an auto, and I actually find it easier to handle in rush hour traffic than my mom's rx400h which i sometimes have to drive when my parents need me to move isht.
sure, autos are faster nowadays and more practical (to most people), but I enjoy manuals way too much for me to give it up. I really do hope car makers keep making them, though.
in reality though, I don't see manuals sticking around for much longer, especially here in the US.. looks like I'll be doing a lot more tranny swaps down the line
sure, autos are faster nowadays and more practical (to most people), but I enjoy manuals way too much for me to give it up. I really do hope car makers keep making them, though.
in reality though, I don't see manuals sticking around for much longer, especially here in the US.. looks like I'll be doing a lot more tranny swaps down the line
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I will alway own a manual car. I've driven automanuals and they're annoying, most times it won't listen to you. Unless of course you go up in price of $50K+. Automanuals you find in sub 30K cars just isn't advanced enough for enthusiasts. Even my ML has shifters on steering wheels but there's too much delay when wanting to shift.
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I think that we're all missing an important point here. A lot of people don't know how to drive stick anymore...this means that your car is less likely to be stolen.
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I agree that manuals will continue. But more specifically about the IS. This is because Toyota's isn't really a shiftable automatic, theirs is more of a "max gear allowed" mode. Yes, in accelerating it can seem like a direct control, but it's really not. So when you stop, you're not in 4th gear, that's just the max gear it'll shift itself up to. I think it's the worst of the shiftable systems out on the market right now.
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