2012 Hyundai Genesis sedan gets new 5.0L V8, upgraded V6
02-09-11, 02:46 PM
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that may happen.
but Hyundai isn't a direct competitor.
merc and bmw still have 300hp or less.
merc is just catching up, and will put a 300hp engine in the E class.
333 hp and 291tq won't make it much faster. maybe 1/10th second.
it's a heavy car.
I'd rather have better mpg than more hp/tq.
GS350 already has enough power. but mpg is pretty ordinary by today's standards.
but Hyundai isn't a direct competitor.
merc and bmw still have 300hp or less.
merc is just catching up, and will put a 300hp engine in the E class.
333 hp and 291tq won't make it much faster. maybe 1/10th second.
it's a heavy car.
I'd rather have better mpg than more hp/tq.
GS350 already has enough power. but mpg is pretty ordinary by today's standards.
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02-09-11, 03:08 PM
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with almost everyone having taken a hit in property value, investment value, retirement funds, etc., i believe relatively fewer people will buy just on brand alone.
the boomers are now beginning to retire in huge numbers, a wave which will continue for a couple of decades, and with medical costs climbing, taxes likely to go up, the inflation looming, retirees will DEFINITELY be looking more to value than in times past. i know people who wanted a mercedes but bought a genesis instead. not a statistically significant thing, and although the dealers aren't fancy, they didn't care, they love their cars and are impressed, and haven't had problems.
When they get a money again what do you think they will be driving?
People buy MB, BMW, Audi, Lexus often for as much about prestige as they do driving experience, luxury and quality.
at a split second glance, this angle resembles the accord a little too much......
02-10-11, 03:35 AM
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i'm sure GS plans at this point are already cast in setting concrete. an expected refresh of the genesis is not likely to change anything.
This new 5.0 from Hyundai is news to us consumers but to other manufacturers especially the other Luxury brands, this is probably old news as they are all competing for our dollars..
Competition is good, it keeps everyone on their toes...
02-10-11, 05:20 AM
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02-10-11, 07:55 AM
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Impressive!
02-10-11, 08:37 PM
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I just can't see how anyone can't like this. The progression is incredible in just one model generation. They seem to have taken a page out of Jaguar offering different V-8s for the same model, great job. I think labeling it "R spec" is a good idea as a range topping model.
Quite frankly Lexus could take a page out of this for F-sport, adding some sizeable HP bump outside of exhaust/intake gains of 3-5%. You would have base, F-sport with a power bump then "F" for the performance marque.
Kudos to Hyundai.
Quite frankly Lexus could take a page out of this for F-sport, adding some sizeable HP bump outside of exhaust/intake gains of 3-5%. You would have base, F-sport with a power bump then "F" for the performance marque.
Kudos to Hyundai.
02-10-11, 09:07 PM
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By the way, does anyone think the *** looks like Infiniti M37/56?
02-10-11, 09:28 PM
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things are looking GREAT for Hyundai...they are really doing what the consumer actually wants from the brand, and that only leads to good things for them.
that same 5.0L is supposed to replace the V6 in the Genesis Coupe, and the current I4 in the coupe will jump to about 280hp from 210hp. Hyundai is hitting the correct spots, IMO.
that same 5.0L is supposed to replace the V6 in the Genesis Coupe, and the current I4 in the coupe will jump to about 280hp from 210hp. Hyundai is hitting the correct spots, IMO.
More likely that it will appear on the 2nd gen GenCoupe (tho, I don't think it really makes sense).
The refresh is a mixed bag - the headlights are an improvement but the taillights take a step backwards; the rims on the R-Spec (gee, did they really have to use that moniker?) are a bit busy, but overall an improvement.
It's just too bad Hyundai didn't redo that overly bland/outdated dash/center stack design (it was outdated from the very beginning), but wouldn't make sense financially to do so.
great upgrades!
anyone who says this still doesn't compete with the GS is, uh, mistaken.
it also blows away the infiniti g sedan, infiniti m, acura tl, and lexus ES.
the driving dynamics of the 5 series are probably still better, but we'll see what the testers of the r-spec think!
anyone who says this still doesn't compete with the GS is, uh, mistaken.
it also blows away the infiniti g sedan, infiniti m, acura tl, and lexus ES.
the driving dynamics of the 5 series are probably still better, but we'll see what the testers of the r-spec think!
The 5 Series still has its rigidity, but is more compliant over rough surfaces (we'll see how the refreshed Genesis fares in this dept.).
As for driving dynamics, the 5 Series lost quite a bit of it by becoming a smaller 7 Series and BMW handicapping it w/ that artificial steering feel (can't they just leave such things alone instead of muffing them up?).
The steering on the Genesis sedan is middling; one wonders why they can't get the same steering feel on the sedan as they do on the coupe?
Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
Not having available AWD kills Genesis sedans in the snow-belt states (which nowadays, apparently is most of the US); w/ AWD, the Genesis sedan could probably increase sales by another 25-30%.
Now a sport trim is nice, but how 'bout a performance line using that supercharged 5.0 putting out 500HP?
It'll definitely will be interesting to see what Toyota does w/ the next GS (the current GS is one of Lexus' better designs; it's just too bad Toyota didn't update it enough to keep it interesting) - are they going to follow in the footsteps of BMW and give us a mini-LS or are they going to go all out and give us a true sports sedan?
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02-14-11, 12:45 AM
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Impressive engine updates .
Not a fan of the exterior updates. Front update looks decent, but the rear looks more downscale IMO. Rear end now looks more like a Maxima or Infiniti M.
You have to wonder though with Hyundai making so many engine updates so quickly, how will reliability hold up long-term?
.Not a fan of the exterior updates. Front update looks decent, but the rear looks more downscale IMO. Rear end now looks more like a Maxima or Infiniti M.
You have to wonder though with Hyundai making so many engine updates so quickly, how will reliability hold up long-term?
