4 GM models dead for 2012
02-14-11, 03:10 PM
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02-14-11, 06:37 PM
#17
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It is true that modern, updated suspension engineering (particularly on BMW and Mercedes products) can come close to an ideal ride-handling combo, even with lower-profile tires (and even the new LaCrosse has an excellent combination), but that is not necessarily what the typical DTS/Lucene buyer wants. He or she wants the maximum in a soft ride and floatiness, with steering/handling precision not a significant issue for them.
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02-14-11, 07:12 PM
#18
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It is true that modern, updated suspension engineering (particularly on BMW and Mercedes products) can come close to an ideal ride-handling combo, even with lower-profile tires (and even the new LaCrosse has an excellent combination), but that is not necessarily what the typical DTS/Lucene buyer wants. He or she wants the maximum in a soft ride and floatiness, with steering/handling precision not a significant issue for them.
02-14-11, 07:25 PM
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Last year Lucerne sales were -15% and LaCrosse was +121%. It looks like a lot of Lucerne buyers are making the switch, in addition to new buyers of the brand.
02-14-11, 07:45 PM
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The Lucerne and DTS are built on the same platform at the GM Hamtramck plant (Detroit). They are ramping up Chevy Volt production in that plant.
The STS is built at the Grand River plant in Lansing along with all of the CTS variants. They already retired the 1st generation SRX from that plant and build the new generation SRX in Mexico. Rumors in Lansing say that GM is evaluating bringing an additional vehicle, possibly a Cadillac, to the plant.
The DTS and Lucerne are good cars that have been neglected by GM. The DTS Performance and Lucerne CXS are quick and quite nimble for large FWD cars. Quality isn't what it should be and the dash looks dated. I suspect the current generation will have as many interior squeaks as they age as the past generation, but maybe not.
I came close to buying a DTS Performance instead of a LS430. But, the DTS didn't have the best handicap access for my wife, was too long for what I wanted, and I had quality concerns. According to DTS owners, I should have bought a Cadillac with character rather than a boring rolling appliance.
The STS is built at the Grand River plant in Lansing along with all of the CTS variants. They already retired the 1st generation SRX from that plant and build the new generation SRX in Mexico. Rumors in Lansing say that GM is evaluating bringing an additional vehicle, possibly a Cadillac, to the plant.
The DTS and Lucerne are good cars that have been neglected by GM. The DTS Performance and Lucerne CXS are quick and quite nimble for large FWD cars. Quality isn't what it should be and the dash looks dated. I suspect the current generation will have as many interior squeaks as they age as the past generation, but maybe not.
I came close to buying a DTS Performance instead of a LS430. But, the DTS didn't have the best handicap access for my wife, was too long for what I wanted, and I had quality concerns. According to DTS owners, I should have bought a Cadillac with character rather than a boring rolling appliance.
02-14-11, 07:50 PM
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You beat me to it. The Lucerne and the DTS share a platform, and share an assembly plant (but not the platform, of course) with the Volt.
02-15-11, 04:44 AM
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Agreed. Many of the lingering DTS drivers have one foot in grave, hardly the growth market. Even those that can legally retain a drivers license don't buy cars often enough to matter (they buy cars fewer cars per decade than the average car buyer). Not to mention the car is a poor quality, sloppy handing, poor performing, ugly, with mediocre fuel economy pos.
02-15-11, 10:15 AM
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Agreed. Many of the lingering DTS drivers have one foot in grave, hardly the growth market. Even those that can legally retain a drivers license don't buy cars often enough to matter (they buy cars fewer cars per decade than the average car buyer). Not to mention the car is a poor quality, sloppy handing, poor performing, ugly, with mediocre fuel economy pos.
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