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Will There Ever Be A V6 LS?
03-21-11, 10:55 AM
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for those who really have enough dough for luxury cars from 70-90k, they can really care less about the 500 bucks "extra" in gas a year. people i know (here in the US at least, i don't care about other regions) who can really afford the s550, they just buy the car like that and drive. they don't go and ask if there can be a v6 version and take 10k off the sticker
If not, whole class will die out and people will buy Avalons.
You can blame tough government EPA regulations as to why you are seeing more and more v8 options disappear as well as 4 cylinders replacing 6 cylinders, v8s replacing v10/v12, 6 cylinders replacing v8s, smaller engines being offering where they were never thought to be offered, etc. Unfortunately it is only going to get worse in the years to come.
A V6 LS would be bad imo. Why fix it if it isn't broken.
plus, a lot of 'old' people tend to be more frugal (diff. generation) even relatively when buying luxury items.
03-21-11, 11:34 AM
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come on, the 1UZ-FE is already good 13 yrs old, that's as far as i would go. if we have to go all the way back to the v8 from 20 yrs ago, then to me it's like doing whatever it takes to say the v6 is better. heck, v4 today is more powerful than a lot of engines from 40 yrs ago, we should put that in the LS too? 
cars are getting heavier and heavier these days, so engines just have to go up at the same time. to me allowing discussion of current v6 with v8 from 10 yrs ago is as far as i would go. more than that and it's kind of pointless.
cars are getting heavier and heavier these days, so engines just have to go up at the same time. to me allowing discussion of current v6 with v8 from 10 yrs ago is as far as i would go. more than that and it's kind of pointless.
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and i don't care about tranny and such, my gs350 simply doesn't make any kind of tq the v8 in my gs400 and sc430. just talk about 70mph pick up and how the rpm spike on my gs350 and how my previous v8 simply breezed through it and that told me right the way already. same with my wife, we had had quite a few v8 (gs400, sc430, ls460l) before the gs350. when she first drove it on the freeway, she said "umm it seems to work harder and not as powerful"
with that said, i am not against if lexus make a hybrid ls450h or something like that, coz' that's like v8 power and like you said better carbon footprint. even the 740il, to some extend i think it's more "ok" since it's turbo charged.
when looking at the topic here, i think it's strictly with v6 NA. any type of hybrid or forced induction and i think it's something else already.
when looking at the topic here, i think it's strictly with v6 NA. any type of hybrid or forced induction and i think it's something else already.
I know a lot of this has to do with ego because it's hard to see a flagship model with anything less than 8 cylinders, but times have changed. We thought we would never see a performance oriented car (ISF) or an exotic (LFA), nor have we ever thought we'd see a 4cyl-anything in a car badged with a Lexus emblem. I wouldn't mind seeing the LS as a V8-only model, but can say this: I would not surprised if a V6 LS surfaced. Yes the LS is a big and heavy vehicle, which is why if they ever throw in a V6, I want to see at least 3.8L.
03-21-11, 11:41 AM
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How efficient do you think a v6 van be when it has to work that much harder to move a 4500lb car? Case in point, how much more efficient is a 4cyl Highlander relative to its v6 counterpart? Or the 4cyl Sienna relative to its v6 counterpart? Regardless of how many gears, the engine only has so much power to give and it still have to move the same amount of mass. Anybody thinking a smaller engine in the LS will yield efficiency is kidding themselves.
03-21-11, 12:26 PM
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Well the gap between the 2GR-FSE and the last non-vvti 1UZ was only 10 years so I say it's not too bad .
Henry, transmission is everything. It's between the engine and the wheels and it's the reason why you have torque at the wheel. The gears multiple the engine torque at the expense of RPM, but given enough gears, the driver may not even notice it. There is a reason why the LS430 is faster/quicker than the Q45 even though the LS engine was at a big disadvantage in both horsepower and torque. It simply had more torque at the wheel, where it actually matters, not the engine.
Well what if Toyota released a 3.8L V6 that is more powerful than the former 1uz-fe (vvti) in both hp and low end torque? Would you support that? Or because the cylinder count is not 8; it's discredited despite its performance?
I know a lot of this has to do with ego because it's hard to see a flagship model with anything less than 8 cylinders, but times have changed. We thought we would never see a performance oriented car (ISF) or an exotic (LFA), nor have we ever thought we'd see a 4cyl-anything in a car badged with a Lexus emblem. I wouldn't mind seeing the LS as a V8-only model, but can say this: I would not surprised if a V6 LS surfaced. Yes the LS is a big and heavy vehicle, which is why if they ever throw in a V6, I want to see at least 3.8L.
. Henry, transmission is everything. It's between the engine and the wheels and it's the reason why you have torque at the wheel. The gears multiple the engine torque at the expense of RPM, but given enough gears, the driver may not even notice it. There is a reason why the LS430 is faster/quicker than the Q45 even though the LS engine was at a big disadvantage in both horsepower and torque. It simply had more torque at the wheel, where it actually matters, not the engine.
Well what if Toyota released a 3.8L V6 that is more powerful than the former 1uz-fe (vvti) in both hp and low end torque? Would you support that? Or because the cylinder count is not 8; it's discredited despite its performance?
I know a lot of this has to do with ego because it's hard to see a flagship model with anything less than 8 cylinders, but times have changed. We thought we would never see a performance oriented car (ISF) or an exotic (LFA), nor have we ever thought we'd see a 4cyl-anything in a car badged with a Lexus emblem. I wouldn't mind seeing the LS as a V8-only model, but can say this: I would not surprised if a V6 LS surfaced. Yes the LS is a big and heavy vehicle, which is why if they ever throw in a V6, I want to see at least 3.8L.
03-21-11, 04:22 PM
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I really like what MB did offering a V6 hybrid S class. Their 6 cylinders are weak though. Lexus could do a much better job in the LS.
03-21-11, 07:57 PM
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that's what i keep on say, it's not the number, it's performance. that's why i am not opposed to v6 hybrid or FI, something that will boost the performance to make things more reasonable on such a big heavy car. your "if" statement, we will see if it actually happens and how it performs overall. keep in mind, cars are just getting heavier and heavier and more and more power / tq are required to give it the kind of smoothness we need in such a big car. simply state, as fast as the gs350 it is now, it's not match to gs460 or gs450h in terms of smoothness and pick up speed. that's enough for me to make the decision on what i think should and should not go on a flagship sedan
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