Corolla vs Jetta (the guy from VW is bashing Toyota)
#46
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Common for salesmen in dealerships. The very individual will try to sell the car regardless if he/she works for Toyota, Volkswagon, or even Lambo. That's their job and it's very obvious they aren't going to preach about their competitor's offering. If they do, then they aren't good salesmen at all.
#47
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Well, they're good salespeople if they can truthfully compare their vehicles to other manufacturers and give you legitimate reasons why you should consider (or actually buy) their products. The main problem is (as some other posters here have indicated), is that, too often, what they say about their own vehicles (and those of other manufacturers) is carefully-rehersed B.S........some dealerships even hold special training-classes for that. Occasionally, though, it is the truth....I have met a few honest salespeople, and, fortunately, the tendency now seems to be towards more honesty rather than less. Too many of the old snake-oil salespeople, though, are still around.
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#50
Well, they're good salespeople if they can truthfully compare their vehicles to other manufacturers and give you legitimate reasons why you should consider (or actually buy) their products. The main problem is (as some other posters here have indicated), is that, too often, what they say about their own vehicles (and those of other manufacturers) is carefully-rehersed B.S........some dealerships even hold special training-classes for that. Occasionally, though, it is the truth....I have met a few honest salespeople, and, fortunately, the tendency now seems to be towards more honesty rather than less. Too many of the old snake-oil salespeople, though, are still around.
Of course, TUV 11-13 year olds info shows all Toyota cars in the top 10 :-).
And yes, even in Europe, it was VW dealer telling them that crap!
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#52
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maybe the corolla's thin skin serves a purpose. less weight?
if you were to bash the front fender, both cars would dent.
so what practical difference does it make?
but really though, a carmaker has to decide what to skimp on, and apparently, fender sheet metal is not that important. It's the car frame that is important.
if you were to bash the front fender, both cars would dent.
so what practical difference does it make?
but really though, a carmaker has to decide what to skimp on, and apparently, fender sheet metal is not that important. It's the car frame that is important.
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When I went to the garage this morning, the electrical system was fried, all 4 tires were flat and 2 wheels had come off, airbags had deployed, engine was seized and the paint fell off......... omen????
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#54
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I've seen used 4Runners, for example, on sale at Toyota dealerships with 175K miles on them...too old, of course, to be a CPO, but with a dealer used-car lmited warrranty. That tells you something.
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I know it's hard to pick numbers out of a hat, but, in general, from what I've seen, the average Honda or Toyota product lasts 200,000 miles (sometimes more) with good maintenance and driving habits, before it gets to be considered unusable. Even some cars formerly considered unreliable can go 125-150K nowadays.
I've seen used 4Runners, for example, on sale at Toyota dealerships with 175K miles on them...too old, of course, to be a CPO, but with a dealer used-car lmited warrranty. That tells you something.
I've seen used 4Runners, for example, on sale at Toyota dealerships with 175K miles on them...too old, of course, to be a CPO, but with a dealer used-car lmited warrranty. That tells you something.
My 2007 has 105,000 miles on it and doesn't look or feel any different than the day it was brand new. Nothing but oil changes thus far (and tires).
I pretty good percentage of the population commonly drives 25,000 miles a year, which f course is a lot of highway. These cars will do 200-300K without a problem. A Toyota will do over 400,000 miles.
#56
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I think those mileage figures are more in line with owners that don't drive much highway.
My 2007 has 105,000 miles on it and doesn't look or feel any different than the day it was brand new. Nothing but oil changes thus far (and tires).
I pretty good percentage of the population commonly drives 25,000 miles a year, which f course is a lot of highway. These cars will do 200-300K without a problem. A Toyota will do over 400,000 miles.
My 2007 has 105,000 miles on it and doesn't look or feel any different than the day it was brand new. Nothing but oil changes thus far (and tires).
I pretty good percentage of the population commonly drives 25,000 miles a year, which f course is a lot of highway. These cars will do 200-300K without a problem. A Toyota will do over 400,000 miles.
#58
What sometimes happens with Toyotas and Hondas is that the frame/underpinnings get corroded after 200-300K, while the drivetrains are still good (or at least driveable). Then, you have a good engine/transmission left on a car that may (?) be potentially unsafe to try and brake or steer with.
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#60
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It was a BIG problem back in the 1980s with Toyota trucks, but that's because the separate beds were welded-on, after shipment from Japan, at the Toyota West-Coast supply-yards, using crappy welds that rusted out from the inside. Toyota got that bed-rust problem licked in the 90s.