European Identity Crisis for Lexus
04-20-11, 09:14 AM
#91
Not to mention that rest of europe has speed limits anyway.
I guess I understand since you do live in Germany and they will not write too good about hybrids until BMW/VW/MB have good ones :-). But even they do.
04-20-11, 09:28 AM
#92
Q7 3.0 TDI vs 450h:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...0h-935875.html
80-120 km / h 6.2s 4.9 s
Test consumption - 9,7 l 8.5
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...0h-935875.html
80-120 km / h 6.2s 4.9 s
Test consumption - 9,7 l 8.5
04-20-11, 01:02 PM
#94
Do you like Guinnees?
While I'm doing all this arguing, I much prefer Euro beers, wine from France, Liquor from France(grand mariner ftw), Mirmosa's from Spain , Sweeden, etc etc etc
And I think some Euro country bought Budweiser bought Budweiser
I insisted my last set of Goodyears were from the German plant, the H&R springs for the ES are from Germany, my TTE wheels are made in Germany etc etc
I'm a Japanese owning, Euro parts hybrid modder
While I'm doing all this arguing, I much prefer Euro beers, wine from France, Liquor from France(grand mariner ftw), Mirmosa's from Spain , Sweeden, etc etc etc
And I think some Euro country bought Budweiser bought Budweiser
I insisted my last set of Goodyears were from the German plant, the H&R springs for the ES are from Germany, my TTE wheels are made in Germany etc etc
I'm a Japanese owning, Euro parts hybrid modder
04-20-11, 01:13 PM
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There are still a lot of misconceptions about hybrids not just in Europe but here as well.
Then we get to see another double standard. Gas MPG in mags where diesels win= correct. Gas MPG where hybrids do better= not trustworthy
04-20-11, 02:03 PM
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I think the different conditions in different markets will give different results. The daily driving conditions in America and Europe are very different.
In German magazine tests a Lexus hybrid was the clear winner in urban fuel economy. In overall conditions though, the diesels performed better. So while a BMW X5 3.0d might achieve say 9 L / 100 km overall, the Lexus RX hybrid would achieve 10 L / 100 km overall.
Also, magazine tests are in my opinion not trustworthy. I simply don't trust the way they test gas mileage. There are to many variables and factors affecting fuel economy. The best gas mileage claims always come from the consumers. And here, once again, different variables also come into play such as driving style, tire pressure, A/C usage, headlight usage etc. The results will always vary. But still, I trust these claims more than those from the EPA or magazines.
In German magazine tests a Lexus hybrid was the clear winner in urban fuel economy. In overall conditions though, the diesels performed better. So while a BMW X5 3.0d might achieve say 9 L / 100 km overall, the Lexus RX hybrid would achieve 10 L / 100 km overall.
Also, magazine tests are in my opinion not trustworthy. I simply don't trust the way they test gas mileage. There are to many variables and factors affecting fuel economy. The best gas mileage claims always come from the consumers. And here, once again, different variables also come into play such as driving style, tire pressure, A/C usage, headlight usage etc. The results will always vary. But still, I trust these claims more than those from the EPA or magazines.
I agree there are many variables, but still, whats the chance you are right and those numbers from the consumers are wrong?
Q7 3.0 TDI vs 450h:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...0h-935875.html
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/audi-...0h-935875.html
Now that the hybrid shows better numbers, they find it "not as clean" as the diesel, since it only came with Euro 4 certification. If one looks at the numbers, the RX450h would easily pass Euro 6, yet it is "not as clean" according to the mag. I find it very dishonorable to falsely accuse a new technology for not being what it is supposed to be in the first place.
No, I don't think thats objective journalism.
04-20-11, 02:10 PM
#98
Well, I gave you links to data from real consumers showing the hybrid getting better real world fuel economy, yet you insist it is the opposite?
I agree there are many variables, but still, whats the chance you are right and those numbers from the consumers are wrong?
Interesting article.
Now that the hybrid shows better numbers, they find it "not as clean" as the diesel, since it only came with Euro 4 certification. If one looks at the numbers, the RX450h would easily pass Euro 6, yet it is "not as clean" according to the mag. I find it very dishonorable to falsely accuse a new technology for not being what it is supposed to be in the first place.
No, I don't think thats objective journalism.
I agree there are many variables, but still, whats the chance you are right and those numbers from the consumers are wrong?
Interesting article.
Now that the hybrid shows better numbers, they find it "not as clean" as the diesel, since it only came with Euro 4 certification. If one looks at the numbers, the RX450h would easily pass Euro 6, yet it is "not as clean" according to the mag. I find it very dishonorable to falsely accuse a new technology for not being what it is supposed to be in the first place.
No, I don't think thats objective journalism.
Price 57 825 € * 67 900 € **
So RX450h is 10k Euros more expensive than Q7! Sure, it has a lot more equipment and yes it is a lot faster... but average person would like RX300h-RX350h much better!
04-20-11, 04:34 PM
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Well, I gave you links to data from real consumers showing the hybrid getting better real world fuel economy, yet you insist it is the opposite?
I agree there are many variables, but still, whats the chance you are right and those numbers from the consumers are wrong?
Interesting article.
Now that the hybrid shows better numbers, they find it "not as clean" as the diesel, since it only came with Euro 4 certification. If one looks at the numbers, the RX450h would easily pass Euro 6, yet it is "not as clean" according to the mag. I find it very dishonorable to falsely accuse a new technology for not being what it is supposed to be in the first place.
No, I don't think thats objective journalism.
I agree there are many variables, but still, whats the chance you are right and those numbers from the consumers are wrong?
Interesting article.
Now that the hybrid shows better numbers, they find it "not as clean" as the diesel, since it only came with Euro 4 certification. If one looks at the numbers, the RX450h would easily pass Euro 6, yet it is "not as clean" according to the mag. I find it very dishonorable to falsely accuse a new technology for not being what it is supposed to be in the first place.
No, I don't think thats objective journalism.
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