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Old 04-29-11, 09:08 AM
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Lutz goes after everyone.....good read...might pick up the book

One of the myths perpetuated by those slavering drones Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh is the Chevy Volt is a product of Government Motors, foisted upon the American public on the orders of President Barack Obama as part of his plan to turn the country into a socialist paradise. Or something like that.

In his new book Car Guys vs Bean Counters: The Battle for the Soul of American Business, which is due to be released June 9, former GM vice chairman Bob Lutz firmly puts the Volt birthers and their tinfoil-hat-wearing fellow travelers in their place. He says the Volt’s ingenious powertrain concept was the idea of GM vice president Jon Lauckner, who sketched it out on a notepad in his office in late 2005, and that serious development work on a production version was well underway in 2007.

Car Guys vs Bean Counters is mostly a blistering attack on the numbers-driven management culture that blights many American corporations, and for which pre-bankruptcy GM was perhaps the ultimate poster child. It’s littered with examples where common sense has been trumped by statistics. Here’s just one: GM deliberately reduced the sheen in its paint so small defects and imperfections would be less obvious. The result? Fewer paint defects per car than Toyota, according to J.D.Power surveys. And cars that looked drab and unappealing in the showroom.

Lutz, who opens the book with an account of how Ford of Europe’s finance department pointed out fixing a problem with camshafts failing shortly after the 12,000-mile warranty expired would result in a $50 million hole in the company’s profit forecast because Parts and Service would no longer be able to sell replacement camshafts to customers, savages America’s business schools: “The big business schools should be asking how and why it all went wrong. They have produced generations of number-crunching, alternate-scenario-loving, spreadsheet-addicted idiot-savants. They should be ashamed.”

But Lutz also reserves a good helping of scorn for Beck and Limbaugh and their vitriolic attacks on the Volt: “Animosity towards the Obama administration is so intense among the right-wing talk-show hosts that any vulnerability, however tenuous, must be attacked and blamed on ‘socialist influence’, with no regard to truth or to the damage these reckless claims can make to GM, an American corporation, to the dedicated and hard-driving members of the Volt team, and to a now-misinformed public that may be steered away from a transportation solution that would fill their needs perfectly.”

Often wrong, but seldom in doubt. It’s a favorite saying of Lutz’s, and it reveals a surprisingly wry self-awareness. His book is full of digs at socialists and the left-wing media that at times sound like they’re straight out of Karl Rove’s playbook, but foaming ideologues like Beck, Limbaugh and their ilk clearly irritate the hell out of the former Marine, whose own political leanings are, ironically, very firmly to the right: “Those people are damaging the credibility of the Republican Party,” Lutz told me at the LA Show last year, still seething over their loopy attacks on the Volt.

Lutz confidently predicts more of the world’s automakers will develop vehicles with Volt-type powertrains. “The skeptics, the pundits, the GM haters, and those who detest lithium-ion as a chemistry will all be dragged, however unwillingly, to the same conclusion,” Lutz writes. “Volt paved the way; Volt was the first with the extended-range EV concept; Volt demonstrated the will and the technological capability of General Motors. And to all the doubters, opponents, critics and skeptics… [including] Glenn Beck, I say: ‘Eat your hearts out. Volt is the future’.”
No doubts there, then. And this time he’s probably not wrong, either. GM sources at last week’s New York Show were still buzzing with the news that BMW engineering in Munich had not only bought a Volt, but had also just hired the former lead engineer of the Volt team, Frank Weber, who will report directly to R&D chief Klaus Draeger. It’s been a very long time since one of Germany’s blue-chip automakers took American automotive engineering that seriously.


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Old 04-29-11, 09:37 AM
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The facts are though that GM would be gone if not for the government bailout, and the Volt is a plug in hybrid that was long hyped as some "future electric car".
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Much of Rush and Glenn's criticism about the Volt is based on it's $41K price and how the real world market will respond to such a price. This, for a car that isn't much more upscale than a Chevy Cruze at around $18K well equipped. Also, you'll never save enough on gas to justify the premium.

As far as claiming the Volt is a government/Obama creation, clearly it's not. Then again, it may have been scrapped if GM had gone through bankruptcy and not gotten government assistance. And the government has certainly made their interest in the Volt's success quite clear. Then there's the $7,500 tax credit to ensure it doesn't fail completely.

So the government may not have created it, but they are sure as hell keeping it alive.

It will only be the technology of the future when the price is slashed about 40-50%.
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eat your heart out??? Over an American plug in hybrid that costs as much as an entry level German luxury car???? I think a drug test is in order.
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Lutz is partly, but not completely, correct. Extended-range hybrids are one of the powertrains of the future, but so are some other alternate-fuel sources, such as clean direct-injection diesels, Ethanol E85, natural-gas, propane, fuel-cell/compressed-hydrogen-electrics, and even pure-electrics. The main thing holding back the proliferation of these alternate-fuel vehicles in America, right now, is the relative lack of refuelling infrastructures for them.

Limbaugh and their ilk clearly irritate the hell out of the former Marine, whose own political leanings are, ironically, very firmly to the right: “Those people are damaging the credibility of the Republican Party,” Lutz told me at the LA Show last year, still seething over their loopy attacks on the Volt.
Although this argument is probably better-saved for the DEBATE forum than CAR CHAT, I don't see how Lutz can make that statement. Most of the candidates that Beck and Limbaugh backed last year went on to win, with only a couple of exceptions.

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Lutz's word is as trusty as a crack dealer's. I lost all credibility for him after he promised the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO, Pontiac Torrent, and Chevy Cobalt would be successes. He's behind more discontinued cars than I can shake a stick to.
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Lutz's word is as trusty as a crack dealer's. I lost all credibility for him after he promised the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO, Pontiac Torrent, and Chevy Cobalt would be successes. He's behind more discontinued cars than I can shake a stick to.
Well, there was at least some truth to what he said, but indirectly. The Cobalt, granted, was not a well-built car, but did sell in decent numbers, if for other reason, simply because it was cheap and readily available at Chevy dealerships (Chevy dealerships, of course, get a lot of sales-traffic). The SS model packed a lot of punch into a small, inexpensive platform...in other words, a "pocket-rocket". the Pontiac Torrent, I agree, wasn't much of a success, but, once again, it sold substantially better rebadged as a Chevy Equinox.....another relatively inexpensive vehicle readily available at Chevy dealerships. The GTO, yes, was a flop. The first year (2004), the lack of the traditional hood scoops was a widespread complaint. The second year (2005) the scoops were added, but people still complained that it looked too much like a rental-car. (I disagreed...I thought it looked pretty sharp, especially considering that the original GTOs, in the early-mid 60's, were essentially just bread-and-butter Pontiac Tempest coupes with big engines in them).
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It's too ugly.

In most colors. Static or in motion.
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Originally Posted by -J-P-L-
It will only be the technology of the future when the price is slashed about 40-50%.
It (and other alternate-fuel cars) will be the technology of the future, regardless of price.....that's a given. However, as you note, the more they can lower the price, the more likely they be to sell. But, even if they don't sell in expected numbers, they will still be tomorrow's cars......the conventional straight-gas-powered vehicle, as we know it, will still be around some years, but it is clearly on borrowed time.
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Volt is a complete disaster and a textbook example of how corporatism and govt subsidies greatly distort the free market and squanders a ton of money in the process. We have been forced to pay for this thing through taxes and bailouts whether we wanted it or not.
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Lutz's word is as trusty as a crack dealer's. I lost all credibility for him after he promised the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO, Pontiac Torrent, and Chevy Cobalt would be successes. He's behind more discontinued cars than I can shake a stick to.
This.

Why anyone would want to read a book designed to mask the complete failures of the author and deflect blame is beyond me?
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
Lutz's word is as trusty as a crack dealer's. I lost all credibility for him after he promised the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO, Pontiac Torrent, and Chevy Cobalt would be successes. He's behind more discontinued cars than I can shake a stick to.
In the past I used to appreciate Lutz as a car guy instead of the usual bean counter running the show but it's true, much of his product ideas failed.

Seems as though the real market doesn't prefer buying exciting and unique designs. Fact is, people want Camry's and Accord's, Corolla's and Civic's to get the job done reliably and efficiently and not to stand out too much. Something that won't look like a stupid idea 5 years after purchase.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Lutz is partly, but not completely, correct. Extended-range hybrids are one of the powertrains of the future, but so are some other alternate-fuel sources, such as clean direct-injection diesels, Ethanol E85, natural-gas, propane, fuel-cell/compressed-hydrogen-electrics, and even pure-electrics. The main thing holding back the proliferation of these alternate-fuel vehicles in America, right now, is the relative lack of refuelling infrastructures for them.



Although this argument is probably better-saved for the DEBATE forum than CAR CHAT, I don't see how Lutz can make that statement. Most of the candidates that Beck and Limbaugh backed last year went on to win, with only a couple of exceptions.
E85 is the stupiest alt fuel today. It takes more energy to create it
than comes out.
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Originally Posted by bad co
E85 is the stupiest alt fuel today. It takes more energy to create it
than comes out.
Well, there are many different ways to produce ethanol. In the U.S., it's been pretty-much limited to Midwestern corn (as you probably know from living in IL, in the Corn Belt). But it can, if desired, be distilled from a number of different sources.....sugar cane, wood materials.....even garbage. Perhaps, in the future, some of these different methods will be adopted.
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