GM's Mark Reuss jabs the Nissan Leaf (updated, Nissan's commercial jabs back)
#32
Actually people buy the Volt at 45k or so, you get the tax credit next year when you file taxes.
I have no issues with the Volt, I like it, great for short trips. I live close to downtown and could drive it down there, park easily since its small, drive a little and go back home with no need for gas. INfiniti is making a version of it and it might be more to my tastes.
I have no issues with the Volt, I like it, great for short trips. I live close to downtown and could drive it down there, park easily since its small, drive a little and go back home with no need for gas. INfiniti is making a version of it and it might be more to my tastes.
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#34
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Originally Posted by Och
Get a gas powered generator
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The leaf's value goes beyond the car itself. It's doing good things for the company's image. (See below) I don't see the Volt doing the same for GM so far.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/mart...d-in-the-world
Toyota's brand value jumped 11 percentage points this year, with the final tally resting at $24.2 billion. According to Millward Brown, the Prius was largely responsible for Toyota's boost: "Fuel efficiency became a hygiene factor, and Toyota’s Prius continued its market leadership."
BMW came in at #2 on the auto chart, its brand up by 3 percentage points. Mercedes came in third, up a very respectable 12. But the big mover in this year's study was Nissan, which surged a whopping 17 points in value to take the #6 spot. According to Millward Brown's global brand director, Peter Walshe, that jump is largely due to the launch of the 2011 Leaf EV and all the hype surrounding it: "Nissan is positioning itself as a green leader and its stance is paying off." Ford was the only U.S. company to make the automotive top ten, ranking #8 with a value of $7.4 billion.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/mart...d-in-the-world
Toyota's brand value jumped 11 percentage points this year, with the final tally resting at $24.2 billion. According to Millward Brown, the Prius was largely responsible for Toyota's boost: "Fuel efficiency became a hygiene factor, and Toyota’s Prius continued its market leadership."
BMW came in at #2 on the auto chart, its brand up by 3 percentage points. Mercedes came in third, up a very respectable 12. But the big mover in this year's study was Nissan, which surged a whopping 17 points in value to take the #6 spot. According to Millward Brown's global brand director, Peter Walshe, that jump is largely due to the launch of the 2011 Leaf EV and all the hype surrounding it: "Nissan is positioning itself as a green leader and its stance is paying off." Ford was the only U.S. company to make the automotive top ten, ranking #8 with a value of $7.4 billion.
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#39
I also have the advantage of living in a state with 330+ sunny days a year, so if I added solar, that would help reduce the cost even further (slow down or spin the meter backward during the day, and charge at night).
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I think it would depend on how they are using it. Both the Leaf and the Volt have limitations, but they can be efficient if they stay within those limitations. In my case a Volt would be fine because I only have a 7 mile relatively flat drive to work, so 99% of my daily driving could be 100% electric and I could just use gas for longer trips. It is true that if you have a Leaf that you could rent a car for that, but do I really want to do that every time I want to take, say a 40 mile trip to another part of the metro area with some driving around while I am there? That puts you pretty close to the max range of a Leaf (and less if it is cold or hot out and you have to run the heater/AC).
I also have the advantage of living in a state with 330+ sunny days a year, so if I added solar, that would help reduce the cost even further (slow down or spin the meter backward during the day, and charge at night).
I also have the advantage of living in a state with 330+ sunny days a year, so if I added solar, that would help reduce the cost even further (slow down or spin the meter backward during the day, and charge at night).
If you use Volt as even occasional long distance car, you are ending up not only paying 20k extra purchase price, but also you are not only spending more per mile driven than Prius but also polluting more than Prius.
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Edmunds Long term Volt and Leaf:
Volt non ev mpg: 32.7 MPG
Volt EV empg: 34.8 kwh/100 mi
Leaf EV empg: 31.5 kwh/100 mil (10% more efficient)
Volt price per mile: 8.6c per US average, 9.6 Cal average, 11.8c SoCal
Leaf price per mile: 3.4c per US average, 4.6c Cal average, 9.6 SoCal
Prius price per mile: 7.1c/7.7c USA/Cal
Fusion Hybrid per mile: 9.0c/9.9c USA/Cal
And just to repeat 32.7 MPG is because bad decisions. There will be other PHEVs introduced which will get 50 MPG when using gas.
And who will buy 130,000 Volts per year by 2013 as GM estimated just few months ago?
Volt non ev mpg: 32.7 MPG
Volt EV empg: 34.8 kwh/100 mi
Leaf EV empg: 31.5 kwh/100 mil (10% more efficient)
Volt price per mile: 8.6c per US average, 9.6 Cal average, 11.8c SoCal
Leaf price per mile: 3.4c per US average, 4.6c Cal average, 9.6 SoCal
Prius price per mile: 7.1c/7.7c USA/Cal
Fusion Hybrid per mile: 9.0c/9.9c USA/Cal
And just to repeat 32.7 MPG is because bad decisions. There will be other PHEVs introduced which will get 50 MPG when using gas.
And who will buy 130,000 Volts per year by 2013 as GM estimated just few months ago?
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#43
if you stay within Volt limitations, then you would be better off buying Leaf.
If you use Volt as even occasional long distance car, you are ending up not only paying 20k extra purchase price, but also you are not only spending more per mile driven than Prius but also polluting more than Prius.
If you use Volt as even occasional long distance car, you are ending up not only paying 20k extra purchase price, but also you are not only spending more per mile driven than Prius but also polluting more than Prius.
#44
Well, like I said, it is all about how you plan on using your car. If you can stay 100% electric, then yes, the Leaf would be better. But I know I could beat the yearly average MPGs of a Prius in my particular situation by a long shot. That Edmunds info still does not say HOW they are using the cars, which is a key consideration when buying any of these vehicles.
#45
Lets say I drive a Volt and a Prius 12000 miles per year. With the volt I am able to drive 9000 miles on electric and 3000 miles on gas. At 35mpg I end up using 85 gal of gas in 12000 miles of driving. At 55mpg the Prius would consume 218 gallons in that same period and mileage. So how is the Volt worse than a Prius?