GM's Mark Reuss jabs the Nissan Leaf (updated, Nissan's commercial jabs back)
05-09-11, 03:16 PM
#46
OK, since you are obviously not getting my point, here is some simple math for my particular situation:
Lets say I drive a Volt and a Prius 12000 miles per year. With the volt I am able to drive 9000 miles on electric and 3000 miles on gas. At 35mpg I end up using 85 gal of gas in 12000 miles of driving. At 55mpg the Prius would consume 218 gallons in that same period and mileage. So how is the Volt worse than a Prius?
Lets say I drive a Volt and a Prius 12000 miles per year. With the volt I am able to drive 9000 miles on electric and 3000 miles on gas. At 35mpg I end up using 85 gal of gas in 12000 miles of driving. At 55mpg the Prius would consume 218 gallons in that same period and mileage. So how is the Volt worse than a Prius?
So under your assumption, if you drive only 25% on gas, you would save maximum of 20-25% over Prius.
if you are not going to do much more than 35 miles per day, then Leaf is better choice because it costs 10-15k less than Volt and it will save you extra 10%-50% in fuel bills.
05-09-11, 03:52 PM
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Depending on your electricity cost, Volt always on EV is at half of the Prius cost (if you are on national average)... If you are in SoCal, you are already not saving any money, depending on your electric company :-).
So under your assumption, if you drive only 25% on gas, you would save maximum of 20-25% over Prius.
if you are not going to do much more than 35 miles per day, then Leaf is better choice because it costs 10-15k less than Volt and it will save you extra 10%-50% in fuel bills.
So under your assumption, if you drive only 25% on gas, you would save maximum of 20-25% over Prius.
if you are not going to do much more than 35 miles per day, then Leaf is better choice because it costs 10-15k less than Volt and it will save you extra 10%-50% in fuel bills.
05-28-11, 08:46 AM
#48
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05-28-11, 09:15 AM
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05-28-11, 09:31 AM
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^^^ what Och said. 
05-28-11, 03:43 PM
#56
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The Volt, IMO, simply costs too much for what you get (see my review). This is a chance for Toyota, if they play their cards right and price it correctly, to one-up GM in a car-buying area that is going to become significantly more important in the future.
05-28-11, 04:02 PM
#57
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I wonder, though, how many of those who bought or leased a Leaf will have wished they waited a little longer and gotten a Plug-in, Extended-Range Prius when Toyota introduces it. If Toyota plays it smart (to my knowledge, pricing has not yet been announded), the Extended-Range Prius will undercut the Volt's 40K base price to something a little more reasonable like the Leaf's 33K (which, with inevitable dealer-markups, IMO, is still a little steep, even with the $7500 tax-credit). Of course, if one has a safe recharging system at home for the Leaf (house/garage fires have been reported on some plug-ins from current over-draw), and doesn't drive many miles at a stretch or too far away from home, then the Leaf, of course, may be a sensible buy. But the Leaf, of course, requires daily or periodic plug-in recharging.....which is not necessarily the case with the Volt and/or Extended-Range Prius, with their small gas-engines. Some Leaf owners, as I see it, may end up wishing they got an ER instead of an all-electric.
The Volt, IMO, simply costs too much for what you get (see my review). This is a chance for Toyota, if they play their cards right and price it correctly, to one-up GM in a car-buying area that is going to become significantly more important in the future.
The Volt, IMO, simply costs too much for what you get (see my review). This is a chance for Toyota, if they play their cards right and price it correctly, to one-up GM in a car-buying area that is going to become significantly more important in the future.
The competition will get interesting in this class of vehicle. I don't doubt that a company like Toyota with its resources is capable of pricing and competing well.
05-29-11, 10:21 AM
#59
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On that thought and road service, I'm curious what AAA's road service written policy will be regarding electric cars dead on the road (towing within specified range of home as usual/100 miles for CSAA Plus members currently)
