2012 Hyundai Genesis priced from $34,200; new 5.0 R-Spec to start at $46,500
05-30-11, 04:34 AM
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05-30-11, 08:02 AM
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05-30-11, 12:48 PM
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^ I wouldnt say it beats Lexus hands down but its a very STRONG contender. More then most on here will admit. I drove one for close to a month and suprised myself with how nice the car is. There were things I liked better from my GS and there were things I liked better from my GS.
At the end of the day its a very nice car for the $$$. I cant wait to drive the R-Spec to see what it will deliver.
Hyundai has a great opportunity to take market share if they keep improving as they have been.
At the end of the day its a very nice car for the $$$. I cant wait to drive the R-Spec to see what it will deliver.
Hyundai has a great opportunity to take market share if they keep improving as they have been.
05-30-11, 07:08 PM
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imho, i am sure that when it came out, everyone agreed it was good car with frumpy looks and hyundai back lights :-)
05-30-11, 08:12 PM
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For those who think Hyundai doesn't have that "face", you are correct. One of my employees bought a new one this year, and his co-workers give him a hard time for buying a $40,000 Hyundai. He's been generous enough to let me drive it... seems like a solid car, but haven't been able to fully test one.
05-30-11, 11:40 PM
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Who is the idiot - someone who buys a $50,000+ value car for $40,000, or the people who rag on them because they spent $40,000 on a car worth over $50,000 because it didn't have the right brand logo?
There's two types of people in this world - status *****s, and smart people. The status *****s put 50% of their paycheck towards leasing a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus, and the smart ones find good deals like the Genesis and don't overextend themselves.
But the lemmings will keep being lemmings, I suppose.
There's two types of people in this world - status *****s, and smart people. The status *****s put 50% of their paycheck towards leasing a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus, and the smart ones find good deals like the Genesis and don't overextend themselves.
But the lemmings will keep being lemmings, I suppose.
05-31-11, 05:58 AM
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Who is the idiot - someone who buys a $50,000+ value car for $40,000, or the people who rag on them because they spent $40,000 on a car worth over $50,000 because it didn't have the right brand logo?
There's two types of people in this world - status *****s, and smart people. The status *****s put 50% of their paycheck towards leasing a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus, and the smart ones find good deals like the Genesis and don't overextend themselves.
But the lemmings will keep being lemmings, I suppose.
There's two types of people in this world - status *****s, and smart people. The status *****s put 50% of their paycheck towards leasing a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus, and the smart ones find good deals like the Genesis and don't overextend themselves.
But the lemmings will keep being lemmings, I suppose.
Sorry but that is a very short sighted and inaccurate summary of the luxury realm. There are many examples of cars with luxury badges (Infinit Q45, Acura RL, Lincoln LS, etc etc) that were pretty good that did NOT sell. By saying people don't buy a Genesis b/c they are lemmings and badge *****s is extremely disrespectful and inaccurate without also acknowledging shortcomings of Hyundai and the Genesis.
05-31-11, 06:50 AM
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That's not what I'm saying. I oversimplified, by going totally black and white. Plenty of smart people buy BMW/Benz/Lexus/etc. My point was that those people are almost certainly not the ones flinging monkey poop at the person who bought the $40k Hyundai, simply because it was a Hyundai.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
05-31-11, 07:07 AM
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That's not what I'm saying. I oversimplified, by going totally black and white. Plenty of smart people buy BMW/Benz/Lexus/etc. My point was that those people are almost certainly not the ones flinging monkey poop at the person who bought the $40k Hyundai, simply because it was a Hyundai.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
Hyundai knew the RISKS when they decided not to invest the money into building a separate luxury marque. They were well aware that most people would not buy the car b/c it lacked prestige etc. That was the choice THEY made. You cannot get mad at people for not buying what Hyundai did not offer, a true luxury start-up. Mind you even having a luxury start-up or brand does not equate to success as we have seen Acura, Infinit, Saab, Volvo, Lincoln all struggle for years. They have some of the "Badge" and people still ignore them.
Some people avoid buying a Lexus b/c it lacks badge power. That is their prerogative. I don't get why people bash people for badges when its not just cars. Some people prefer a name brand hotel to stay in instead of a motel 6. Some people insist on a certain home builder instead of a lesser known one. Some people prefer to buy from a trusted jewelry store than a dealer. etc etc.
Companies know how important it is to build a trusted and respected brand, that is what Hyundai is trying to do since their name still doesn't resonate with a lot of customers. They are working hard to become a brand name where people will buy the product based on trust and reputation and not gimmicks and price.
Again the Genesis is a product that has flaws as well. The ride isn't as luxurious. You still have to go to an unluxurious Hyundai dealer for maintenance etc. Resale value hasn't been great, MPG isn't class leading. It looks like a blend of BMW/Lexus/Benz/Infinit. It lacks some tech and features the competition has. Build quality long term is untested. So lets not act like the Genesis reinvented the luxury sedan and people are avoiding it. It simply is another good effort at a cheaper price.
Getting to the R-spec, as I stated in my first post here that is a smoking deal for the price and I do hope people give it a fair shake and don't ignore it.
05-31-11, 07:48 AM
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That's not what I'm saying. I oversimplified, by going totally black and white. Plenty of smart people buy BMW/Benz/Lexus/etc. My point was that those people are almost certainly not the ones flinging monkey poop at the person who bought the $40k Hyundai, simply because it was a Hyundai.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
The ones who are so insecure as to overlook the car for nothing but the badge tend to be the sorts who lease a stripped-out C-class/3-series because they get a borrowed sense of superiority from having that badge. Not because they analzyed the car on its own merits. Those who can legitimately afford a MB/BMW/Lexus generally have enough going for them in life that they don't attach their self-worth to the logo on their front bumper. Those are the lemmings - the ones who judge a car solely on its badge. Plenty of people pass on a car like the Genesis on its merits (and its lack thereof relative to more expensive vehicles, in many instances), and that's perfectly fine. But they aren't the ones taunting their co-workers for making the different choice.
it is interesting thought though:
a. We all look for acceptance in society. Some a bit more, some less.
b. It would be interesting to see what is resale value of this against lets say 335i that is the same price.
I bet 335i will get higher resale value, so at the end who was smarter? :-)