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Old 06-05-11, 03:10 PM
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News item: BMW's top U.S. sales executive says he is disappointed in the 5 Series GT, Automotive News reports. "The disappointment I have is that I thought a lot of our 5-series station wagon customers would go with the GT," Jim O'Donnell says. "In point of fact, that is not happening. We have lost those customers to the competition -- mainly to Mercedes-Benz.

With its ungainly lift back and high load floor, the 5 Series GT produced a lot of comments along the lines of "What were they thinking?" when it was introduced two years ago, but now it is official: Even BMW makes mistakes.

Designing and engineering new models is part art, part science: a billion-dollar bet on what the car buying public will want for years into the future. The deepest pitfalls come in trying to head off in a new direction, like a convertible minivan or an SUV with a coupe body. Despite all the market research, focus groups, and educated guesses, car companies can get it wrong. The design fails to catch hold, the market doesn't develop, competition proves stronger than expected. Bottom line: They blew it.

Herewith, ten of the biggest mistakes currently on the market:

BMW X6
The X6 is marketed as a "sports activity coupe" that combines the attributes of an SUV (high ground clearance, all wheel drive large wheels and tires) with the stance of a coupé (bold styling, dramatic sloping roof). BMW sales are hot, but buyers are apparently confused by the concept, put off by the chunky styling, or deterred by the high price -- close to $100,000 for the turbocharged M version. So far this year, BMW has sold just 1,559 of them versus more than 10,000 of the more conventional X5.


Mercedes-Benz R-Class
Similar woes have afflicted the Mercedes-Benz R-Class, first introduced in 2006. Essentially a low-roofed minivan with three rows of seats, it was initially marketed as a "sports cruiser." When that didn't fly, Mercedes tied on a more apropos "family tourer" moniker. Confused buyers, put off by the R's funereal looks, stayed away. U.S. sales never came within shouting distance of Mercedes' goal of 25,000 a year. Despite healthy incentives, the round-roofed R-Class has remained anchored to dealers' lots. A scant 195 found buyers during the month of April.


Ford Flex / Lincoln MKT
A valiant attempt to reinvent the minivan by emphasizing its horizontal proportions and flattening the roof, the Flex and its Lincoln sibling, arrived on the market in 2008, which turned out to be exactly the wrong time; consumers were looking for vehicles with less-exaggeratedly large proportions. Despite Ford's blossoming, the Flex found itself trailing the more conventional Chevy Traverse and Toyota Highlander in the showroom. Ford was expecting to sell 100,000 annually but has struggled to sell a third that many. So far in 2011, only about 2,000 Flexes are finding buyers each month.


Smart Fortwo
Smart is still trying to prove that a funny-looking two-seat car that is challenged at highway speeds and gets mediocre gas mileage will appeal to enough American buyers to constitute a business. Superdealer Roger Penske threw in the towel in February when he returned his exclusive distributor to corporate parent Mercedes-Benz. A new battery-powered version probably isn't going to charge up sales, which fell to 467 in April.


Toyota Tundra
Toyota put all its brains and brawn behind the second generation Tundra that it launched in 2006, surveying buyers for wanted features and building a dedicated assembly plant in San Antonio. For all that, it has been unable to convince Ford and Chevy truck owners to switch. The recession and Toyota's recall crisis haven't helped. The Texas plant has the capacity to build 200,000 trucks a year, but Toyota only sold 93,309 in 2010. Sales look a little better this year, but Tundra is in no danger of dethroning the F-150 or Chevy Silverado.


Nissan Quest
Nissan's fourth attempt at cracking the minivan equation was supposed to close the gap with the Big Three: Chrysler, Honda, and Toyota. No such luck. Nissan has sold just 3,335 Quests this year, while Honda has rolled out 36,306 Odysseys. Blame it on 1) the decision to sit out the 2010 model year; 2) the fact that Nissan is far down the shopping list for minivan buyers; and 3) a design that looks big on the outside but is small on the inside. Will Nissan follow GM and Ford in exiting the minivan business? Stay tuned.


Maybach
Maybach was launched with a flourish in 2002 when a helicopter plucked the first one off the deck of the Queen Elizabeth 2 in New York harbor and deposited it on the dock. Nine years later, the QE2 has managed to avoid the scrap yard, but Maybach may not be so fortunate. To compete with an all-new Rolls-Royce and Bentley, Mercedes-Benz rushed out two re-bodied S-Class cars, christened them with an historic German car brand, and priced them in the stratosphere -- upwards of $400,000. Even the super-rich could see through the sheet metal. A mere 20 Maybachs have found buyers this year.


Honda Insight
The Insight went on sale in March 2009 in the U.S as a 2010 model with prices starting at $19,800, making it the least expensive hybrid vehicle available in the United States. That should have boosted sales but didn't. Blame part of it on a drop in gasoline prices of over one-third over the past year that eroded demand for fuel-efficient cars. Blame the rest on excessive enthusiasm for cost-cutting. Embarrassingly for Honda, the more expensive Prius continues to beat Insight like a drum, outselling the Insight seven to one.


Acura ZDX
Instead of producing "a new level of prestige for Acura," as promised, the ZDX has produced a new, and wholly unwanted, level of exclusivity. Although it is based on the Honda Pilot crossover, Acura decided to market the ZDX as a "luxury four-door sports coupe," thereby throwing customers a curve ball. That, combined with styling that could politely be described as controversial -- as well as the overall malaise afflicting the Acura -- combined to sink the ZDX. Sales never got out of the batter's box, and fewer than 1,000 have found buyers this year.

Subaru Tribeca
Usually conservative Subaru decided to show a little leg in 2005, when it introduced a new design language on the B9 Tribeca. Customers did not warm to the rounded body shape and odd triangular grille, and the Tribeca became the ugly duckling of the Subaru line. Quickly realizing its mistake, Subaru dropped "B9" from the name and abandoned the new look faster than you can say "Fuji Heavy Industries," but it was too late to save the Tribeca. With only 910 sold through April, it is rumored to be headed for extinction.
 
Old 06-05-11, 03:27 PM
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I agree with most of the list (from a sales standpoint). Some of these cars are really good mechanically
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The Tundra is an especially sad story. Toyota, for far too long, marketed 3/4-size trucks as "full-sized", and, then, when they finally DID introduce a true full-sizer (the 2Gen Tundra), it was excessively cheapened and used too many flimsy, light-plastic parts inside and out.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Tundra is an especially sad story. Toyota, for far too long, marketed 3/4-size trucks as "full-sized", and, then, when they finally DID introduce a true full-sizer (the 2Gen Tundra), it was excessively cheapened and used too many flimsy, light-plastic parts inside and out.

which really has nothing to do with sales, as tundra tops JD Powers dependability list (6 years in a row).
http://www.worldcarfans.org/tundra-w...ears-in-a-row/


Problem was recession and fuel price spike. F-150 sales dropped from 939k in 2004 to 528k last year.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
which really has nothing to do with sales, as tundra tops JD Powers dependability list (6 years in a row).





Problem was recession and fuel price spike. F-150 sales dropped from 939k in 2004 to 528k last year.
Well, yes, for sure, the economy and fuel-prices don't help, either. But the negative publicity that the initial 2006 2Gen Tundra got, though, with the C-Channel frame, Cracker-Jack-plastic interior, flimsy exterior-trim parts, and the thin, buckle-prone sheet metal on the tailgate didn't help matters either. Yes, Toyota has addressed some of those concerns in the last 4-5 years (and Consumer Reports also thinks a little higher of the truck now), but F-150 and Silverado owners weren't swayed. The domestic full-sized truck market has extremely loyal owners, and it is a tough nut to crack into. Nissan, with the (formerly) defect-prone Titan, hasn't had much better luck, either.
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the tundra problem is simple. you cant get the demographic who buy trucks to not buy an American truck.
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Thank God ZDX was on the list. I know 1Sick is going to lose sleep over it if it wasn't on it.
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Originally Posted by STIG
Thank God ZDX was on the list. I know 1Sick is going to lose sleep over it if it wasn't on it.
The ZDX was a shoe-in for this list....almost anyone could have picked it. In fact, the ZDX and X6 share a number of the same problems.
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I guess you could replace X6 with 5GT
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To be honest, I'm surprised that the Dodge Nitro is not on this list. It may not necessarily be a sales-flop, but I found the styling, build-quality, interior cheapness/flimsiness, and road manners, on this vehicle, to all be unimpressive.

Consumer Reports, BTW, agrees.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, yes, for sure, the economy and fuel-prices don't help, either. But the negative publicity that the initial 2006 2Gen Tundra got, though, with the C-Channel frame, Cracker-Jack-plastic interior, flimsy exterior-trim parts, and the thin, buckle-prone sheet metal on the tailgate didn't help matters either. Yes, Toyota has addressed some of those concerns in the last 4-5 years (and Consumer Reports also thinks a little higher of the truck now), but F-150 and Silverado owners weren't swayed. The domestic full-sized truck market has extremely loyal owners, and it is a tough nut to crack into. Nissan, with the (formerly) defect-prone Titan, hasn't had much better luck, either.

as I said, JD Powers (owners) have rated their Tundra as most dependable truck for 6 years in a row. So all that blah blah about issues is just an blah blah.
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Ford Flex / Lincoln MKT
A valiant attempt to reinvent the minivan by emphasizing its horizontal proportions and flattening the roof, the Flex and its Lincoln sibling, arrived on the market in 2008, which turned out to be exactly the wrong time; consumers were looking for vehicles with less-exaggeratedly large proportions. Despite Ford's blossoming, the Flex found itself trailing the more conventional Chevy Traverse and Toyota Highlander in the showroom. Ford was expecting to sell 100,000 annually but has struggled to sell a third that many. So far in 2011, only about 2,000 Flexes are finding buyers each month.
The Flex and MKT may not have sold in huge numbers, but both, in my experience, are very competent vehicles.....I've reviewed them both.

That MKT grille, though, takes some getting used-to...it looks like a grinning teen-ager walking right out of the dentist's office with a new set of braces.

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Originally Posted by spwolf
as I said, JD Powers (owners) have rated their Tundra as most dependable truck for 6 years in a row. So all that blah blah about issues is just an blah blah.
Well, I'm not the one you have to convince...it's the F-150 and Silverado owners who are wedded to their trucks, not me. And as long as they (and Ram owners) are, the Tundra isn't going very far.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, I'm not the one you have to convince...it's the F-150 and Silverado owners who are wedded to their trucks, not me. And as long as they (and Ram owners) are, the Tundra isn't going very far.
sure, but keep in mind that between 2004 and 2010, F-150 lost 400k sales per year!
Thats equivalent to total Camry sales.

I think that complete market situation has a lot more to do with Tundra sales that anything else.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, I'm not the one you have to convince...it's the F-150 and Silverado owners who are wedded to their trucks, not me. And as long as they (and Ram owners) are, the Tundra isn't going very far.
I agree. The F150 and the others you mentioned are entrenched brands in the minds of U.S. light truck buyers.

As an example, sales YTD thru May: F Series 214,000 (+10%) and Tundra 33,000 (-12%).

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