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Old 10-19-10, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mister Two
The tC uses the Camry engine and is based on the Avensis platform so 6-speed auto isn't happening to the Corolla class yet. CVT, however, is something that's already equipped on many Corolla and Yaris-class Toyota cars so that's what we can look forward to instead.
Just because it's not on any Corolla class yet doesn't mean it wouldn't get it. Just saying. It's unlikely we would get CVTs in Yaris or Corolla in the US instead of a 6-speed. CVTs on non-hybrid Toyota models are mainly limited to Asian markets and some European markets.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Just because it's not on any Corolla class yet doesn't mean it wouldn't get it. Just saying. It's unlikely we would get CVTs in Yaris or Corolla in the US instead of a 6-speed. CVTs on non-hybrid Toyota models are mainly limited to Asian markets and some European markets.
Um, so isn't it more likely for us to get what's already out there? Just saying.
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I imagine the only way the Yaris will get a 6-speed auto is if they update the 2012 Corolla simultaneously with a 6-speed. Obviously, they can't have it in the entry model Yaris and not for the next model up.

The Corolla should already have it already anyway. And it would give the Corolla a 40mpg est. highway rating as well.
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Originally Posted by -J-P-L-
I imagine the only way the Yaris will get a 6-speed auto is if they update the 2012 Corolla simultaneously with a 6-speed. Obviously, they can't have it in the entry model Yaris and not for the next model up.

The Corolla should already have it already anyway. And it would give the Corolla a 40mpg est. highway rating as well.
Interestingly, several Asian countries that had the US-spec'd Corolla just got a Corolla facelift with CVT equipped and a dramatic increase in fuel economy. I fail to see why the US would get anything different. 6-speed auto is more expensive than CVT too BTW.
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Toyota models in Asia have had CVT options for years.

It's all about catering to different markets. CVTs are not a popular transmission choice in North America. I would be surprised if Toyota added a CVT to the Corolla in the US.

I agree the Corolla needs to get a 6-speed simultaneously if the Yaris gets it as well. I also agree that the Corolla should have had a 6-speed already, or at the very least a 5-speed.

Toyota did say that future facelifts would be more significant. Hopefully that means the Corolla gets a meaningful facelift or mid-model change.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Toyota models in Asia have had CVT options for years.

It's all about catering to different markets. CVTs are not a popular transmission choice in North America. I would be surprised if Toyota added a CVT to the Corolla in the US.

I agree the Corolla needs to get a 6-speed simultaneously if the Yaris gets it as well. I also agree that the Corolla should have had a 6-speed already, or at the very least a 5-speed.

Toyota did say that future facelifts would be more significant. Hopefully that means the Corolla gets a meaningful facelift or mid-model change.
Actually among Asian countries ONLY Japan has CVT for years. Other Asian countries didn't get CVT in a Toyota until a few months ago. CVT isn't popular in the US only because we haven't got many to begin with. I don't see any cars in the US selling worse after they switched from auto tranny to CVT either (Maxima, A4, etc.), so saying CVT is disliked in the US is unjustified.

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Originally Posted by Mister Two
Actually among Asian countries ONLY Japan has CVT for years. Other Asian countries didn't get CVT in a Toyota until a few months ago. CVT isn't popular in the US only because we haven't got many to begin with. I don't see any cars in the US selling worse after they switched from auto tranny to CVT either (Maxima, A4, etc.), so saying CVT is disliked in the US is unjustified.
new Super-CVT's from Toyota have much harder belts, are much more reliable and can last a lot longer... they also have 7 virtual gears with paddle shifters that feel just like real ones and this new generation is what Europe is getting. It is a mix between S-CVT and MMT for petrol models, most newer engines have gotten S-CVT actually, with some other ones still having MMT. It is a bit strange and I dont totally understand it either... But in general, between those two, there are no real automatics left in Toyota Europe program, except for larger diesels that have 6 speed or 5 speed ATs.

Toyota Petrols in Europe
Aygo - MMT
iQ - CVT
Yaris - MMT
Corolla/Auris - MMT
Verso - CVT
Avensis - CVT

Most Toyota engineers I talked to hate MMT and think CVT is far superior choice. I have driven both, and MMT has gotten a lot better and i can say it is viable choice, while CVT is very strange when in Auto mode and perfectly normal in virtual mode.

Despite what automotive writers say (who trusts them anyway, right?) hybrids dont feel like your classic CVT because you get electric engine proving extra thrust so you feel something is going on much sooner... on the other hand, my demo of S-CVT with 4 people in Avensis and 152hp petrol engine, uphill was very comical.... engine at 5400 RPM and not moving any faster .

CVTs spend considerably less fuel than AT's and in new Verso-S apparently it will be even more thrifty than manual. With addition of virtual gears and paddle shifters on most models, i think they are viable option now.
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Originally Posted by Mister Two
Actually among Asian countries ONLY Japan has CVT for years. Other Asian countries didn't get CVT in a Toyota until a few months ago. CVT isn't popular in the US only because we haven't got many to begin with. I don't see any cars in the US selling worse after they switched from auto tranny to CVT either (Maxima, A4, etc.), so saying CVT is disliked in the US is unjustified.
Well Toyota doesn't feel the same way, because currently there are no non-hybrid Toyotas in the US that have a CVT. All CVT-equipped US Toyotas are hybrid models.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Well Toyota doesn't feel the same way, because currently there are no non-hybrid Toyotas in the US that have a CVT. All CVT-equipped US Toyotas are hybrid models.
Like I said, Toyota felt the same way for other Asian countries until a few months ago, so things can change.
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Originally Posted by Mister Two
Like I said, Toyota felt the same way for other Asian countries until a few months ago, so things can change.
We shall see what happens.
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Well Toyota doesn't feel the same way, because currently there are no non-hybrid Toyotas in the US that have a CVT. All CVT-equipped US Toyotas are hybrid models.
hybrids are not really cvt, it is power splitting device - PSD, that is similar to CVT but not CVT.

I think traditional CVTs need a bit of getting used to , which is why they dont have them in US. I just read review of Asian Corolla with CVT, and they said that for that S-CVT application Toyota included some virtual gear shifting even in auto mode, basically when at full WOT, revs will go up and down as if gears were shifted, to provide that sensation. This is something completly new...
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Originally Posted by spwolf
hybrids are not really cvt, it is power splitting device - PSD, that is similar to CVT but not CVT.

I think traditional CVTs need a bit of getting used to , which is why they dont have them in US. I just read review of Asian Corolla with CVT, and they said that for that S-CVT application Toyota included some virtual gear shifting even in auto mode, basically when at full WOT, revs will go up and down as if gears were shifted, to provide that sensation. This is something completly new...
True, the PSD does act similar to a CVT.
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TMC Launches Redesigned 'Vitz'
Models with Idling-stop Boast Fuel Efficiency of 26.5 km/L

Toyota City, Japan, December 22, 2010-Toyota Motor Corporation (TMC) announces the launch in Japan today of the redesigned "Vitz" compact car.

Since the launch of the first-generation in 1999, the Vitz has achieved cumulative sales in more than 70 countries and regions around the world-including many European countries-exceeding 3.5 million units*1. With more than 1.4 million of those units*2 having been sold in Japan, the Vitz is truly a core model of the Toyota brand.

The new, third-generation Vitz, developed based on a new definition of the ideal compact car to meet consumers' diversifying compact-car needs, features sharper styling as well as a compact exterior but roomy, refined interior; abundant utility; and outstanding fuel efficiency of 26.5 km/L-made possible by the Toyota Stop & Start idling-stop system-in the 10-15 test cycle of the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism (MLIT). The result is a distinctive compact car that achieves performance equivalent to a vehicle one class higher in terms of quality, comfort, ease of use and affordability.

With four grades that emphasize unique individuality, 17 body colors and four interior colors available, the Vitz is a highly appealing next-generation compact that enhances the enjoyment of choosing the perfect car and the pride of ownership.


Monthly sales target for Japan: 10,000 units


Assembly Plant: Nagakusa Plant, Toyota Industries Corporation

Vehicle Outline


Exterior symbolizes innovation united with a high-quality interior


The exterior has been completely redesigned under the key design concept words of agility and sophistication. The result is a dynamism conveying the car's brisk and responsive handling as well as a sophistication expressing compact-car elegance and presence.

The exterior design achieves high aerodynamic performance (coefficient drag value of 0.285), contributing to high fuel efficiency and stable high-speed cruising.

The interior strives to create a form both sporty and comfortable. For example, padding that extends horizontally from the instrument panel to the door trim conveys roominess and creates a sophisticated feel.



New package provides both easy driving and a roomy interior

The compact length, just 3,885 mm, enables a turning radius of 4.5 m.

The interior length has been extended by 35 mm to 1,915 mm, creating a roomier space.

The front seats use a new frame that enhances seating comfort, and the rear seats have 35 mm more legroom to create a comfortable and relaxing space in the rear.

The rear seats fold in a 6:4 split, enabling flexible arrangement.

The vertical adjustment range of the driver's seat is now 60 mm (15 mm more than the previous model) and the seat slide adjustment range is 10 mm with 24 steps (8 steps more than the previous model), allowing the driver to achieve an optimal driving position.

Utility and enhanced performance ideal for a range of driving situations

The cargo space has been made 145 mm deeper, providing ample storage capacity. Also, a new adjustable deck board can be set at two heights: When set in the upper position small objects can be placed below, and folding down the rear seats can create an almost-flat luggage space.

A discreet sub compartment for storing the owner's manual is located at the top of the glove compartment, expanding storage space.

The passenger seat has a special plastic barrier that can be used to prevent handbags or other items from falling forward off the seat. Shopping bags and such can be hooked to the top of the barrier, which can also be used to keep an umbrella in place.

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The single windshield wiper works with an integrated washer nozzle that improves wiping performance.

The headlights automatically turn on and off according to exterior brightness.

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Comfortable cruising, due consideration to safety and the environment

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The front-wheel-drive models (with CVT) surpass the existing Japanese 2010 fuel efficiency standards by 25% and the four-wheel-drive models surpass the standards by 15%. All models in the series achieve emission levels 75% lower than the 2005 standards under MLIT's Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles, qualifying for incentives under the Japanese government's taxation system for environment friendly vehicles. As a result, the front-wheel-drive models (with CVT) qualify for a 75% reduction in the automobile acquisition tax and automobile weight tax, while the four-wheel-drive models qualify for 50% reductions.

A multi-information display located within the instrument cluster shows information including fuel efficiency, average fuel efficiency and possible cruising distance. Further, an Eco Driving Indicator that turns on when the accelerator is operated in an environmentally friendly manner supports eco-driving.

EBD (electronic brake-force distribution) and ABS are standard on all models.

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All vehicles come equipped with SRS airbags for both the driver and front-passenger seats. SRS side airbags also provide chest protection, while SRS curtain-shield airbags aim to reduce head injuries.

The WIL (Whiplash-injury Lessening) concept has been adopted for the front seats, adding backrest-give and head and back support for more protection in the event of a rear-end collision.

A pedestrian-injury-lessening body has been adopted to minimize impact to the head and legs of pedestrians in the unfortunate event of a collision.



Four grades emphasize individuality and boost the joy of selection

The new and distinctive Jewela grade features exclusive body and interior colors and interior and exterior ornamentation with a plated finish to convey vibrancy. The Jewela also offers a selectable sophisticated silver-finish for the door mirrors and door handles.

The F grade has specifications designed to meet a wide range of needs including price, fuel efficiency, and comfort.

On the U grade, a leather-covered steering wheel and shift **** and heated seats that warm the shoulders and back are standard equipment to enhance comfort and sophistication.

The sporty RS grade has exclusive designs on the front and rear, including the bumpers and a roof spoiler. Various other equipment, including exclusive sports car style seats, a steering wheel wrapped in leather with dimple stitching, and a fun-to-drive five-speed manual transmission or seven-speed Sports Sequential Shiftmatic transmission with a paddle shift-type shift lever that provides manual-transmission feel.



Welcabs: Vehicles with factory-installed features for the disabled

The Lift-up Front Passenger Seat model is equipped with a front passenger seat that rotates and slides down and to the outside of the vehicle. The B type comes with a motorized device for loading and unloading a wheelchair as standard equipment.

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Old 12-22-10, 09:33 AM
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Beat me to it Mike.


Here are videos of the 4 JDM packages: F, U, Jewela, and RS

F:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OneSiehDDBs

U:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWhNMD4GqIM

Jewela:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRkuc8vFlKg

RS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2avRV8KLmts


Lots of details on Toyota's Japan site...

http://toyota.jp/vitz/

http://toyota.jp/customize/vitz/?P=20101222

http://toyota.jp/vitz/dop/package/


I'm liking it!

I just can't wait to see the new sedan though!

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Old 12-22-10, 09:45 AM
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To be honest, I was hoping for something a bit more dramatic in terms of styling. This looks 90% like the existing model and I wonder if the American public (Yaris) will take note without a more updated look.
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