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Old 07-01-11, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i dont think someone looking into 70k 5 series is going to consider Hyundai... One look at interior will tell you why. 2nd reason is simply the badge.

Based on my long experience in selling cars, people buy cars based on their budget. IE they pick among best 40k options they can, if their budget is 40k. They switch classes, brands, premium, etc.

So it is rarely you have people saying: should I get 36k Hyundai or should I get 70k 5 series?

It is usually more like: I have 35-40k, should I get: Genesis, RX, ES, G, IS, 3 series, A4, CC, etc, etc.

Didn't the original LS400 make for similar value when it was introduced undercutting even the E class and 5-series in price? I don't think price should be such a high factor for any newly introduced vehicle that's trying to win over customers of an established brand.
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Originally Posted by Lexuslvr91
Didn't the original LS400 make for similar value when it was introduced undercutting even the E class and 5-series in price? I don't think price should be such a high factor for any newly introduced vehicle that's trying to win over customers of an established brand.

Actually, the original LS400 undercut the S-Class and 7 series in price. It offered S-Class performance/luxury at an E-Class price.
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Originally Posted by scgt652
Actually, the original LS400 undercut the S-Class and 7 series in price. It offered S-Class performance/luxury at an E-Class price.
Indeed by undercutting the E and 5 in price it also undercut the S and 7.

The Genesis offers 5 and A6 performance/luxury at 3 and A4 pricing.
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Originally Posted by Lexuslvr91
Didn't the original LS400 make for similar value when it was introduced undercutting even the E class and 5-series in price? I don't think price should be such a high factor for any newly introduced vehicle that's trying to win over customers of an established brand.
This is some comparison/myth Hyundai people bring up in some attempt to marginalize the impact of the LS showing a lack of automotive history.There is no comparison that can be drawn from the original LS to the Equus/Genesis outside of they are both new. NONE. Its not even close.

The Genesis/Equss are amazing for a Hyundai, but not amazing by any other means. They do not lead in any category, they didn't raise the bar, they barely won any awards. The competition did not run back to the drawing board in fear. Their main selling point is price, they are cheaper. They are not better AND cheaper. They are arguably on par and cheaper. They are great cars. People have not dumped their Lexus, Benz, BMWs in droves to buy these Hyundais. A few people, that is it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzjES...eature=related

There is no Hyunai ad like that b/c they cannot do that. They cannot shock and awe anyone with the Genesis/Equus like that. They can shock and awe that it is a "hyundai" for people that remember crappy vehicles for people with bad credit. They can shock and awe with a warranty.

The LS when it debuted completely changed automotive history. It was lightest with the best MPG, with new age gauges and luxury, unparalleled fit and finish, it was quietest, it was on par and better in some cases in performance. The ride was unparalleled. On top of that the dealer service was unheard of at the time. It completely made the Germans who scoffed at first run back to the drawing boards. It completely eclipsed Lincoln, Caddy, Saab, Volvo etc. History has been kind to the LS as it has been voted one of the greatest cars of all time and one of the most influential.

You see the lower price was the icing of the cake of the LS. The cake was the actual car. It was BETTER & CHEAPER. Not just cheaper.

The original LS then became the best selling luxury sedan in a year. By comparison the Genesis sedan never met sales goals and the Equus while on target to meet its goal is a humble 2500 a year. THe LS was selling that many A MONTH. Even the LS 460 sold that many a month when new.

The entire automotive landscape changed after the LS 400 debuted. All consumers benefited. All cars had to get better and dealer service had to get better. The Genesis/Equus have changed nothing but maybe image for Hyundai.

I'm just going to start copying this post as I've re-written it seemingly in 40 different languages and people still don't get it.
 
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1sicklex I agree with the above statement, but this was back in 90s. Now days its hard to make something that crazy to change the whole market around. We basically have everything that anyone can think of. The only think that can possibly happen is better reliability,more features, and low maintance with a lower price tag. Which I think that exactly what hyndai is trying to do, keep in mind I said trying never said they did. I am kind of happy they are doing it keeping it competitive for other luxury car makers.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
They are great cars. People have not dumped their Lexus, Benz, BMWs in droves to buy these Hyundais. A few people, that is it.
actually, i don't think a ton of people dumped them Benzs and BMWs to buy an LS when it came out. i think the LS brought many new people into the luxury space - people who wouldn't pay an exorbitant amount for an S class for example, saw the LS as a wonderful experience at a very attractive price. gee that sounds familiar. the LS set the bar for refinement and build quality when it was launched, but that gap has long since diminished, along with most of the price advantage too.

and while the Equus is no LS game changer, the ES250, launched with the LS, is no Genesis! the Genesis is a big deal, and doing well. Lexus follow-up with the SC was genius - there was NOTHING like it, and later the RX - pure genius. since then they've done some other 'different' vehicles, but as we know, they weren't significant strokes of genius.

i saw an equus the other day and shortly after an LS460. the LS460 looked VERY PLAIN and relatively cheap compared to the Equus. yes, to me, the 'bling' on the equus, and the front light and details work.

i still like the LS460 but never thought it was a home run inside or out.

History has been kind to the LS as it has been voted one of the greatest cars of all time and one of the most influential.
i agree, but as they say in marketing, what have you done for me lately?
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Edmunds review: http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/ge...and-video.html

2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec Full Test and Video
In the Beginning There Was a Burnout, but Then We Noticed the Ride

We're sitting across from a man named Skip. He's being interviewed as part of an effort to find out how people research cars, and after doing so himself, Skip has decided he will buy a 2012 Hyundai Genesis.

Now, this distinguished, white-haired gentleman in the black suit has the money to buy a BMW 7 Series or Mercedes-Benz S-Class. But after researching, driving, poking, prodding and stuffing his golf clubs into their trunks, he's found that not only is the Genesis a vastly better value, but it actually meets his needs better.

The fact that a Hyundai is being considered alongside flagship luxury cars at all is reason for the Korean company to pop open a few bottles of Soju and celebrate. But resting on such laurels is not in Hyundai's relentlessly self-improving makeup. Its midsize luxury sedan can be better and swing for farther fences, and to do so, the 2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec has been created.

Hyundai Five-0
This new range-topping trim for the refreshed 2012 Genesis is the only way to get the equally new 5.0-liter version of Hyundai's Tau V8. It's a bored-out version of the 4.6-liter V8 bolstered by direct injection and a higher compression ratio. The result is a rating of 429 horsepower and 376 pound-feet of torque.

Not only does this make it the most powerful engine ever produced by Hyundai's car division (there's certainly some Korean-market bus with something beefier), it also boasts the most horsepower among a group of V8-powered luxury sedans that includes the BMW 550i and Infiniti M56.

However, when we strapped the R-Spec onto our friendly neighborhood dyno, the Hyundai didn't quite match its Japanese rival. While the M56 sends 380 hp to the wheels, the Hyundai manages "only" 364. Either Infiniti is being coy or Hyundai is being optimistic, but they can't both be right.

Infiniti scores another victory on our drag strip, besting the Hyundai by 0.3 second from zero to 60 thanks to its apparent power advantage and roughly 200 fewer pounds. Still, the R-Spec takes only 5.3 seconds to hit 60 (5.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout as on a drag strip), which is on par with the 550i, Audi A6 3.0T and Mercedes-Benz E550. In other words, it may not be top dog, but it's still damned quick and holds its own against some very distinguished company.

It's also capable of a rather epic tire-scorching burnout, as well as the sort of spine-in-your-seat punch you expect from a big V8. Power delivery is absolutely effortless and buttery smooth, but without the sort of aural histrionics that'll weaken the knees of car-loving passersby. However, the 2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec has an ability to shock fellow motorists like few other cars on the road — you just don't expect an anonymous Korean luxury sedan to take off in such an exuberant manner.

Eight Is Too Much
On the highway, the 5.0 clearly has more than enough passing power, but it's let down by its eight-speed automatic transmission. Now standard throughout the Genesis lineup, this new eight-speed is said to improve acceleration, shift smoothness and fuel economy.

It may indeed do all that, but despite the more aggressive shift schedule and throttle mapping of the R-Spec, it also has a tendency to feel flummoxed by its multitude of gear choices when the time comes to downshift. You'll be cruising along in 8th, lay into the accelerator for a pass, then wait as the transmission realizes a drop to 7th or 6th isn't sufficient since both are also overdrive gears. You'll likely end up in 5th, but by then, your passing moment may have passed.

Sure, there's a manual option with the gated console shifter (no paddles), but shift response is absolutely glacial. It will also often overrule your judgment, swapping cogs long before redline.

Suspension Needs Some Work
The soggy transmission is not the first indication that this 2012 Hyundai Genesis doesn't exactly live up to the sport sedan moniker. On relatively smooth highway blacktop, the sport-tuned suspension is firm, but within the realm of comfort.

Slow things down, however, and it starts to show the same sort of unsophisticated and unpleasantly firm feel on rough city pavement of other Hyundais and Kias with "sport tuning." Other cars in this class are firm, but they don't come with the relentless lateral bobbing and jostling that'll leave you pawing your forehead and declaring, "Enough, already!"

The 2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec's thicker rear stabilizer bars, higher front and rear spring rates and a 25-30 percent higher damping rate quite simply don't add up to a ride befitting a luxury car. The new hardware does generate better performance numbers, though.

Compared to the Genesis 4.6 (which will continue to be sold), the R-Spec gained 2.3 mph through the slalom for a speed of 64.9 mph, slightly slower than its main competition. With its optional summer tires, the R-Spec fared better on the skid pad, rounding the circle with 0.88g of grip. That's a fair bit better than the last 550i we tested, though not quite as sticky as the M56 and A6 3.0T. Its 112-foot stop from 60 mph is dead even for the class.

Indeed, the R-Spec shows that it has some skill around corners, whether at our track or tackling quick transitions on canyon roads. Yet that skill doesn't translate to an athleticism that inspires you to really drive it. The Genesis' sheer bulk is part of that, the flat seats are another. The biggest culprit, however, is the numb steering that still doesn't deliver much road feel despite an increase in effort that comes along with the R-Spec.

Perhaps it's too much to ask Hyundai to achieve the sort of optimized ride-handling balance that European automakers have spent decades perfecting, but there's not even an appreciable trade-off here as there is with the M56 (firm ride, athletic feel) or the Genesis 4.6 (plush ride, relaxed feel).

Genesis Models of Different Spec
For better or worse, the 2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec is only expected to constitute 5 percent of the Genesis sedans that leave Hyundai dealerships. So for the remaining 20 percent (4.6) and 75 percent (the 3.8-liter V6, with more power and direct injection for 2012) of potential Skips out there, there are a number of other enhancements and improvements for 2012.

Though it's frankly tough to tell without side-by-side photos, the exterior has been given a subtle but successful tweaking. The nondescript grille has been redone to look a little less like a Klingon's forehead, while the airdam has been widened for a more aggressive appearance and to conceal the adaptive cruise control emitter. The headlights also get a tasteful LED running light treatment. Though the lower side skirts and rear valance with integrated twin pipes may look like they belong solely to the sport-tuned R-Spec, they are actually applied to every Genesis. Indeed, besides the 5.0 R-Spec badge and 19-inch graphite wheels, it's hard to differentiate the top-of-the-line model.

Inside, changes are restricted to the addition of heated rear seats, which is just fine. Though the cabin of the Genesis doesn't quite measure up to its vastly more expensive luxury-branded competitors, it's still a lovely place to spend time. Everything's screwed together well, the materials are appropriately plush for its price point, features are abundant and its 17-speaker Lexicon sound system (standard on the R-Spec) makes virtually every other stereo sound like the AM radio buzzing into Grandma's left ear. Add in an enormous backseat and it's hard to imagine why someone would bother with an Equus.

Is It Right for Skip?
So do we like the Genesis? Yes. Do we like the new Tau 5.0 V8? (Um, did you see that burnout up there?) Do they work together? Absolutely, but a big engine does not make a sport sedan and Hyundai has a ways to go in the steering and suspension departments before it can truly be placed on the same pedestal as those cars that bear traditional luxury badges.

Still, the 2012 Hyundai Genesis R-Spec's price tag of $48,750 still undercuts the M56 by about $12,000 and the Germans by thousands more — even if it seems awfully steep for a Hyundai. That's just the sort of value proposition that has made guys like Skip think twice about the traditional names in luxury. If he also digs massive V8 power and lives in a land of pristine pavement, then the R-Spec may do a similar trick. Otherwise, he'd better stick with a Genesis of regular spec.
It makes less HP at the wheels than an Infiniti M56 and is slower as well. Several new Hyundai models in testing have been slower than their HP figures indicate. Either the Hyundai engines are optimistically rated, or they have poor powerbands.

The ride is also poor on anything other than glass-smooth rides. Not the only new Hyundai or Kia model that has this problem.
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Twenty Benjamins. Two large. Two thousand dollars. Any way you put it, throwing that much cash on top of the Genesis 4.6's $44,500 base price gets you a Hyundai sedan unlike any other. The new 2012 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 R-Spec touts more power, promises stickier grip, and has the most inappropriate name in Hyundai's modern-day lineup.

Despite what its label may conjure in enthusiasts' minds, the R-Spec isn't a sedan designed to embarrass the curvy-road combatants from Mercedes AMG, Cadillac V, and BMW M. No, the Genesis 5.0 R-Spec is more a sport model than 'Ring racer. That's that.

But the R-Spec is a step in the right direction. It gives the standard Genesis much-needed injections of athleticism and emotion. Hyundai engineers provided an all-new direct-injected 5.0-liter Tau V-8 GDI based on the current sedan's 4.6-liter. Bore grows from 92 mm to 96 mm and compression bumps from 10.4:1 to 11.5:1, resulting in a healthy dose of 429 horsepower and 376 pound-feet of torque (as opposed to 385 hp and 333 lb-ft from the 4.6).

A new bed plate, camshaft carriers, and roller timing chain reduce mechanical chatter and ensure the eight-cylinder is as fuel-efficient as possible (it's rated at 16 mpg city/25 mpg highway). An eight-speed automatic transmission with a manual mode directs power to the optional Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position rubber ($1400). When needed, four-piston front and rear calipers bite hard on 13.6-inch rotors rather than the usual 13.0-inch variety.

While the powertrain adds much to the Genesis' repertoire, the suspension had staffers talking. Each corner perches on 25- to 30-percent-stiffer Sachs Amplitude Selective Damping shock absorbers. The rear end's multilink setup is tuned to tauter R-Spec requirements. One-millimeter-thicker anti-roll bars -- 26 mm front, 19 mm rear -- fight lateral loads under hard cornering.

The finished product surprised us on the real-world blacktop. The R-Spec was composed in and out of corners and wore its 4199 pounds well. Compared to the 4.6, excessive body lean is nearly cured in the 5.0, which pushes when spurred aggressively (thank its burliness and 54/46 front/rear weight distribution). Although weighty and more communicative, the steering still lacks the directness of some of its German rivals.

Its stiffer ride will have you thinking "sports car," not "luxury sedan." Off smooth paths, the suspension is confused and bouncy at times, yet capable of absorbing mountainous acne. A week's worth of passengers complained not once -- just don't expect the Genesis' usual Lay-Z-Boy ride anymore.

Like the transmission it's bolted to, the V-8 heart is as smooth and as quiet as they come. While welcome for those who appreciate the subdued nature of a Lexus LS V-8, the R-Spec's quiet demeanor is a quality that ultimately disappoints -- an "R" on the tail necessitates a voice that should be more enticing than a muffled burble.

Even so, here is a Korean sedan as quick to 60 mph as a BMW 550i (4.8 seconds) and faster over a quarter-mile than a Ford Mustang V-6 (13.3 seconds at 107.1 mph vs. 13.7 sec @ 102.0 mph). It demolishes the 4.6's figure-eight time by nearly 1 second (26.3 seconds at 0.68 g) and consistently stops three feet shorter from 60 mph (109 feet). It also pulls an average 0.87 g on the skidpad (up from 0.86 g).

Sure, the weakly bolstered front thrones are wide enough to seat a beluga, and are no different from those in lesser models. And the blacked-out headlamps, 19-inch wheels, and R-Spec-branded carpets do little to truly distinguish the R-Spec. But in terms of performance, the improvements are undoubtedly impressive.

One thing that MT testing director Kim Reynolds noted during his figure-eight runs: "Though a fun ride overall, turn-in is a very tricky and touchy thing to master, requiring a hefty dosage of quick on-off throttle inputs to induce smooth rotation." His final assessment? "In the figure-eight the car was fun to drive, but doesn't live up to its bold R-Spec naming."

If we were Hyundai, we would have called the R-Spec the Genesis Sport, SE, or something similiarly civilized, saving the R-Spec nomenclature for a sedan with bigger wheels, a lower stance, bespoke styling -- and at a minimum -- a meaner exhaust note.

Still, that doesn't mean the extra $2000 isn't money well spent...
Genesis R-spec Motor Trend Review
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This review is much more appropriate. It seems like Insideline tried to test it like it was some sort of BMW M5, Cadillac CTS-V or MB E63 AMG competitor which isn't the case. R-spec is simply a sport trim not a high performance machine. This review is immensely more suiting.
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Any way you look at it, 0-60 in 4.8 sec. is blazing fast for a 4k lb. sedan.
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good reviews. hyundai - go work on your tranny and suspension tuning for sporty models.
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Originally Posted by IS350jet
Any way you look at it, 0-60 in 4.8 sec. is blazing fast for a 4k lb. sedan.
true that!
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have you guys seen the minor upgrades in the 2012 Genesis, looking nice. Plus the 5.0 R-Spec ($46,500MSRP) is super value compare to the 4.6 ($44,500MSRP). Only 2k more for 45 hp increase, sport-tuned suspension, a recalibrated steering system, dark chrome exterior accents, and exclusive 19-inch alloy wheels, thats awesome!
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis/specifications.aspx

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Lexus got Coach and Hyundai got Prada, thats embrassing...

2012 Hyundai Genesis Prada launched


Features a 5.0-liter V8
Hyundai in cooperation with Italian fashion label Prada has launched in Korea the limited edition Genesis Prada.

Designed to be one of the most luxurious models the company has ever built, the Genesis Prada is available in three colors (Black Nero, Blue Baltico and Brown Moro) and is distinguished by dark chrome accents, a "shark-fin" antenna and exclusive 19-inch alloy wheels.

Inside, the cabin is outfitted with "Saffiano" leather upholstery, piano black trim and a rear seat entertainment system.

Power is provided by a 5.0-liter V8 engine that produces 430 PS (316 kW / 424 hp) and 510 Nm (376 lb-ft) of torque. It is connected to an eight-speed automatic transmission, which "allows drivers to enjoy the car's power and driving dynamics to their fullest extent."

Production will be limited to 1,200 units, in South Korea, but a "small number" of models will be exported to China and the Middle East.

Source: Hyundai


Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11105173...#ixzz1TDlbnpNS
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