mmarshall

It may run better with Marine gas, but does it pass emissions?.....Or is that not a factor in his state? If not, than that might be the solution. But Marine gas can be quite expensive....significantly more than regular auto pump-gas. There's an old saying......"If it flies or floats, it will eat you up in costs".

Jewcano

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Kill the corn subsidies, you kill ethanol in gas.....

dj.ctwatt

We've had E10, E20(limited supply), and E85 (very limited) in Thailand for quite some time now. What's nice is that we let the market decide which fuels it wants by not mandating, and only subsidizing. The result is that E10 is very popular, and E20/E85 have near zero demand. What attracts people is the price difference (due to subsidies), and it shows.

The greatest part is that regular pure gasoline is still available (91/95), as is E10 91/95. E20 91 is not hard to find. And E85? Well, you'll have better luck finding an electric car charging port.

rdgdawg

Just another "stimulus" to force people to buy cars

US Gov't scam #122

Just red the thread and put the statements together... as usual, what the gov't wants makes NO SENSE cuz it contradicts itself...

84Cressida

Eureka and Fortuna are pretty North.

I'll be damned if I have to give up a car I love (My '94 Yota Pickup) because it can't run on E15 or whatever fuel they standarize at gas stations.

84Cressida

I haven't ever heard of a car that you couldn't convert to have R134a in it. My Cressida was converted a few years back and it worked fine. You can also get R12 that's been recycled into a vehicle. It's expensive and a license shop has to do it, but it's still possible.

mmarshall

Maybe so, but I was referrring to conditions back in the mid-90's, when some cars had R12-R134 conversion-kits and some didn't. Owners sometimes didn't keep cars that lacked the kits, especially if they had A/C failure and encountered difficulties or high expenses getting R-12. And, to make it even more difficult, the EPA started requiring epecial recycling equipment to keep freon from leaking out deiring repairs, and service-shops had to buy new equipment.

So, how does all this relate to the thread topic.......E15 or greater gas/ethanol? Simple....as I see it, the same impetus that caused some people back in the 1990s to trade-up for cars that were designed for R-134 at the factory will likely cause a number of pre-2001 car owners to trade-up for newer (or brand-new) cars that will be able to handle the E15 blend. As Josh points out, though, not everyone can afford to do it (or will want to), but enough will that, I think, that it will make a difference in the market. I also wouldn't be surprised to see another Goverment-subsidy, like the Cash for Clunkers program a couple of years ago, encouraging trade-up sales for this purpose.

Here's something else to consider: As noted above, the EPA says that only cars older than 2001 models could be damaged by the E15 blend. So how do warranty-coverage questions even enter the picture? To me, it doesn't make sense.....even 10-year drivetrain warranties like on Kia/Hyundai/Mitsubishi vehicles (the longest warranties in the American market) will be about to expire on most 2001 models anyway. So the warranty question, to me, is not even an issue.

4TehNguyen

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ethanol blows, its been wreaking havoc in small outboard engines. Companies have made additives to counter the corrosive effects of the alcohol. Making corn compete for food and fuel was a boneheaded decision, did nothing but increase food prices.

*Batman*

We need to send a lynch mob to congress to stop this madness once and for all.

mmarshall

No. Food prices went up because of bad weather and lower harvests, not ethanol production. And most of the corn that is used for ethanol is of such a low grade that you would not want to eat it at the dinner-table anyway....it is barely fit even for farm animals. So, in general, it doesn't affect other corn-prices.

Ethanol, BTW, is also made from a number of other sources, not just low-grade corn......including sugar cane, wood chips, and even recycled-garbage.

*Batman*

Yeah well Thailand has more intelligent people in charge than America. In America anyone smart goes into the private sector.

The Head of the Central Bank of Thailand is the highest paid Central Bank Chairman in the world. Our one is one of the lowest paid, and it shows.

UDel

Ethanol is not good for carbureted engines either especially 2 stroke engines common for lawncare/tools as it gums up carburetors and can dissolve plastic fuel lines. Chainsaws are especially prone to gumming/deposits from ethanol in gas, it is not recommended keeping fuel in them for over 3 months anymore due to most gas having ethanol in it.

anthrax144

No, food prices went up because farmers planted more acres of corn and less of others due to the rising demand of corn directly related to the use of ethanol in gasoline. Whether it's low grade or high grade corn is insignificant. There are only so many acres of farm land that can be planted in a year. If it's cheaper for farmers to produce low grade corn (for ethanol) vs high grade corn (for food) they're going to plant more acres of the low grade. Since they are now planting more corn, wheat crops have shrunk so the price of wheat is near all time highs. So yeah, dumb. For once, I agree with 4ThNguyen...

dunnojack

ok. i had some fuel line recall done on my 2007.

that means my car can run on 100% beer, right?

bitkahuna

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thanks - there's one in my town. may get it for my power tools.

so true.