Volt a failure?
#16
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Yes, I'd say it is a failure. Too much money for too little return (car).
Looking back at it's launch, the dealer mark-up thing is laughable. Today, they are probably heavily discounting them just to get em off the lot.
Looking back at it's launch, the dealer mark-up thing is laughable. Today, they are probably heavily discounting them just to get em off the lot.
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Wow!! AT DEALER TONIGHT!! A Camaro 2SS on lot $10k less..5 years to break even??
Just left dealer tonight
A nice loaded Camaro 2SS on the same lot as a volt. It was a 2010 6000 miles...awesome car ...had dealer installed blower... Maybe 500 hp easy....
Volt is $40k after incentive tax etc and neg........
.The Camaro 2SS or loaded as the 2SS is ....price is $30k after tax tag etc...
HMMMMMMMM
VOLT OR CAMARO???????
CAMARO!!!!!
CAMARO!!!!!
IT works out to a savings of exactly by fuel costs and payments
$100 per month to own Camaro!!!!
VOLT is $760 per month. Holy crap!!!!!
Camaro is $560 per month.
A nice loaded Camaro 2SS on the same lot as a volt. It was a 2010 6000 miles...awesome car ...had dealer installed blower... Maybe 500 hp easy....
Volt is $40k after incentive tax etc and neg........
.The Camaro 2SS or loaded as the 2SS is ....price is $30k after tax tag etc...
HMMMMMMMM
VOLT OR CAMARO???????
CAMARO!!!!!
CAMARO!!!!!
IT works out to a savings of exactly by fuel costs and payments
$100 per month to own Camaro!!!!
VOLT is $760 per month. Holy crap!!!!!
Camaro is $560 per month.
#20
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One interesting data point (admittedly a sample size of one): My neighbor is a reviewer for Autoweek, and he's apparently purchased a Volt. The review cars he gets are always shiny and clean, and have Manufacturer plates, usually from MI. He typically has them for 2-3 days. I've seen the Volt numerous times over the past few months, it's currently filthy (salt season here in Chicago), and has personalized Illinois plates.
Apparently there's SOMETHING good about it, otherwise I don't know why somebody who's familiar with literally every vehicle on the market would buy one. His previous car (which I think he still has in the garage) is an early-2000s Miata.
Apparently there's SOMETHING good about it, otherwise I don't know why somebody who's familiar with literally every vehicle on the market would buy one. His previous car (which I think he still has in the garage) is an early-2000s Miata.
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One interesting data point (admittedly a sample size of one): My neighbor is a reviewer for Autoweek, and he's apparently purchased a Volt. The review cars he gets are always shiny and clean, and have Manufacturer plates, usually from MI. He typically has them for 2-3 days. I've seen the Volt numerous times over the past few months, it's currently filthy (salt season here in Chicago), and has personalized Illinois plates.
Apparently there's SOMETHING good about it, otherwise I don't know why somebody who's familiar with literally every vehicle on the market would buy one. His previous car (which I think he still has in the garage) is an early-2000s Miata.
Apparently there's SOMETHING good about it, otherwise I don't know why somebody who's familiar with literally every vehicle on the market would buy one. His previous car (which I think he still has in the garage) is an early-2000s Miata.
#23
The Volt's a failure.
Does the car and technology have promise? Sure. But from a sales and marketing standpoint, it's an utter disappointment. The bow-tie emblem alone, will not warrant a $40k price tag on a vehicle this size.
I've been saying it from the day the car was announced, it should have been brought to market as a Caddy, or even a Buick. Put all the new tech into a nameplate that can support the higher price tag and absorb the cost. Under the Caddy/Buick banner, GM could have made the car more plush, tacked on another $10-20k, sold the car, and at minimum, broken even. But the American public has a very hard time swallowing a mid-sized Chevy that costs $40k.
Does the car and technology have promise? Sure. But from a sales and marketing standpoint, it's an utter disappointment. The bow-tie emblem alone, will not warrant a $40k price tag on a vehicle this size.
I've been saying it from the day the car was announced, it should have been brought to market as a Caddy, or even a Buick. Put all the new tech into a nameplate that can support the higher price tag and absorb the cost. Under the Caddy/Buick banner, GM could have made the car more plush, tacked on another $10-20k, sold the car, and at minimum, broken even. But the American public has a very hard time swallowing a mid-sized Chevy that costs $40k.
#24
There was an article in Automotive News today that Toyota sold 8,399 Prius v wagons in the 10 weeks of 2011 after its late October launch versus 7,671 Volts in all of 2011 (7,997 in the Volt's first 13 months on the market).
#25
Toyota will selll >1,100,000 hybrids in 2012 and GM will sell.... 25k? ;-)
A lot of companies are using hybrids simply for PR exercises... only Toyota actually sells a whole load of them. And Honda to be fair... Ford is next up with paltry 30k in 2011.
#26
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lets put it this way - Toyota has sold 700,000 hybrids in 2011 and GM has sold... 10k?
Toyota will selll >1,100,000 hybrids in 2012 and GM will sell.... 25k? ;-)
A lot of companies are using hybrids simply for PR exercises... only Toyota actually sells a whole load of them. And Honda to be fair... Ford is next up with paltry 30k in 2011.
Toyota will selll >1,100,000 hybrids in 2012 and GM will sell.... 25k? ;-)
A lot of companies are using hybrids simply for PR exercises... only Toyota actually sells a whole load of them. And Honda to be fair... Ford is next up with paltry 30k in 2011.
#27
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It would be much less of a failure, Paul (perhaps even a success), if GM would drop the price to a more-reasonable level, dealers wouldn't gouge, and some improvements were made to the dash/shifter/ergonomics.
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Again I could be wrong, as I don't actually know the guy, but the impression I get from a distance is that it's his car. I guess time will tell.
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I just saw one on the road today. The Volt looks nice, but I also think it should have been sold under the buick / caddy name. But still, at $40k, there are alot of other classier models I would rather have. Used Porsche Cayman + Civic beater, anyone?