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Old 05-24-12, 11:33 PM
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I agree. It's a sporty alternative to the boxy Camry, without looking overdone.

Question: Not having read the article, is there any manual shifting with the grear lever? All that's visible in the pic is "D" and "L." So once it's in "D", you can use the paddles?

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The more I look at the interior, the more I like it, but that CVT really needs to go away.
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That interior is a nice step up. Certainly more comparable to the entry-lux Teana sold in the rest of the world, which has an attractive interior.
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Old 05-25-12, 02:12 AM
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The interior looks very nice
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nice spindle grill.
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Originally Posted by Fizzboy7
I agree. It's a sporty alternative to the boxy Camry, without looking overdone.

Question: Having not read the article, is there any manual shifting with the grear lever? All that's visible in the pic is "D" and "L." So once it's in "D", you can use the paddles?
i think it holds rpms at predetermined locations, not really emulating gears, not exactly sure.
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Old 05-25-12, 05:53 AM
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Easy choice over the ugly Camry in a heartbeat.Better looking exterior and much better quality looking interior.
Very nice car that should sell well.

Add in the features that speedflex posted which are great for any car,let alone a car in this class.


1. The tech package includes an advanced backup camera with a viewing angle of almost 180 degrees. Nissan uses advanced image-processing software that enables the camera to provide moving-object detection when the Altima is in reverse, helping to prevent you from backing over the neighbor’s kid – or worse yet, the neighbor’s dog. This eliminates the cost of radar-based hardware most companies use to impart moving-object detection. But in addition, Nissan’s included an automatic washer and dryer for the camera lens, assuring an always-clear view.

2. Tire-pressure monitors are required for all new vehicles. But most everyday models get a rudimentary system that more or less just illuminates an idiot light or warning message if a tire’s pressure gets low. It’s then up to you to scramble around the car with a pressure gauge to figure out which tire needs the air.

The 2013 Altima’s standard 4-inch display screen in the gauge cluster shows the pressure for each individual tire. Nothing new about that, even though it’s still pretty rare for affordable cars. But engineers went one step further: once you’ve determined, say, that the right-rear tire is the one requiring air, no need for a gauge. The Altima’s four-way flashes blink to let you know you’re filling the correct tire. Then when the proper pressure is achieved, the horn burps. Over-inflate and the flashes start blinking again. A marvelous feature now that plenty of gas stations have the el-cheapo compressors that don’t include an inflation-pressure readout.

3. More than half of the states in the Union have laws that require you to turn on your headlights if it’s raining. But it’s easy to forget when it’s daylight outside. The new Altima’s linked the two: if the wipers run for four consecutive wipes, they signal the headlights to engage. Nobody we talked to was quite sure yet whether the feature works if the wipes are running in intermittent mode – we’ll get back to you on that.

4. The 2013 Altima’s going to be the lightest car in the class, starting at just more than 3,100 pounds for the 2.5-liter four-cylinder car. Nissan promises that, as well as an efficient, new-generation continuously variable automatic transmission and a host of other fuel-saving features also will make it the most economical car in the class: 38 miles per gallon on the highway. Better yet, engineers are promising a 0-60 gallop of 7.14 seconds. And yes, that’s for the 4-cylinder car.




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MOTORTREND
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...sl_first_test/

CAR&DRIVER
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...sl-test-review

AUTOMOBILE
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...nissan_altima/

ROAD AND TRACK
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/dr...-altima-3.5-sl

Really nice photos in this one
http://www.thecollegedriver.com/post...-Nissan-Altima

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A huge percentage of the fuel economy for the new generation model lies in improvements made to the Xtronic CVT.

Superb job Nissan

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The way I see it, based on this pic:



There is a "Ds" mode (or D sub-S). I think that's where the paddle shifters of the car spring into action.

However
This picture also shows that not all versions or variants get paddle shifters (probably the starting base model is one of these). I'm not exactly sure how "Ds" will work in such cases.

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The 2.5's CVT, however, doesn't offer the ability to lock in a ratio, and in spirited driving, the vocal four-banger's thrum permeates the cabin with its continually rising and falling engine note. At full throttle, the tachometer swings to 6200 rpm and stays there. Our test car occasionally brushed against the engine's rev limiter as a further reminder that we were in a prototype vehicle with a new transmission whose programming wasn't yet perfect.


Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...#ixzz1vtcEoMD6
It is an Renault-Nissan all right :-)
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Interior of this car looks so rich...I love it
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2,500 rpm in a family sedan generally isn't a whole lot to get excited about. In fact, it's traditionally closer to idle speed than anything offering the possibility of real entertainment. But each and every 1 of those 2,500 revolutions in this 2013 Nissan Altima offers a frisson of excitement when whirling away in concert. Why? Because they add up to 100 mph. In a 4 cylinder.

Process that for a minute: 2,500 revs = 100 mph in a 2.5-liter normally aspirated 4-door kinshlepper. This, friends, is impressive. We first verified the figure for ourselves during a prototype drive at Nissan's Arizona proving grounds back in March. More real-world numbers include 2,000 rpm at 80 mph and just 1,450 rpm at 60 mph. Credit the Altima's Continuously Variable Transmission, which has been extensively reworked for this new model. 70% of the transmission's parts are new, and internal friction has been reduced by up to 40% through a battery of small tricks including redesigned internals swimming in lower viscosity oil. The transmission has a super-wide 7.0 gear ratio spread and reprogrammed control logic to help the keep all 4 pots on boil as necessary.

Of course, it's still a CVT, which is to driving enthusiasts what Mark Zuckerberg is to the Amish. But Nissan's Xtronic unit at least makes a good go of it, thanks to a sport mode that introduces shift points to create a physical and auditory experience similar to that of a traditional torque converter automatic. To be fair, the revs don't plunge quite as far as they would in a slushbox, but it keeps the engine in the meat of its powerband and still delivers a pretty convincing performance, even when subjected to aggressive throttle openings. Either way, those awkward "stretched rubberband" CVT moments are kept to the bare minimum, only rearing their head when the accelerator is buried in the carpet, and just for a moment. Under most circumstances, we imagine most Altima drivers probably won't even notice they own a CVT.




Speaking of engines, Nissan once again offers a pair of them: the QR25DE 2.5-liter 4 seen here, good for 182 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 180 pound-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm, and the VQ35DE 3.5-liter V6 with 270 horses at 6,000 rpm and 258 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm. Either way, you'll get the CVT – Nissan axed the base manual transmission back in 2010.

Early rumors suggested that this 5th-generation model might go with a 4-cylinder-only lineup like Hyundai, Kia and Chevrolet, but Nissan has elected to stick with updates of its current powerplants. That's not the black mark you might think it is: We have a longstanding love affair with Nissan's VQ series and the 4 cylinder has been a solid performer as well.

Thanks to other weight-saving measures throughout the car, Nissan says the Altima has lost weight and is now the lightest car in its segment, weighing as little as 3,108 pounds. Even the top-spec SL V6 tips the scales at just 3,355 pounds, which company officials gleefully point out is lighter than all rivals – even those packing 2 fewer cylinders. Thus, even though Nissan has taken a pass on forced induction and direct injection, it still claims best-in-class performance and fuel economy.


We had a 2nd chance earlier this week to drive production-intent cars on the winding roads around Nissan North America's Nashville, Tennessee, headquarters, and chose to focus on the 2.5 liter, because consumers tend to as well – V6 models only make up about 10% of Altima sales. For 2013, the QR25 receives a modest 7-horsepower bump, thanks in part to variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust cams, a reworked ECU and a new intake manifold. We found the 4 to be a likeable drive partner, with good power and smoothness and little in the way of 4-cylinder thrash, even hovering near its 6,200 rpm redline. Nissan says the 4-cylinder will run to 60 mph in 7.1 seconds, which would put it at the head of its segment.

The headline number for this Altima isn't its 0-60 time or horsepower count, it's all about fuel economy. Nissan isn't being shy about touting its 38 miles per gallon highway estimate for the 4-cylinder. In fact, it's so proud that announcements trumpeted the figure all along our bucolic drive route: giant "38 mpg" banners on hay bales, direction signs – Nissan even painted it on the side of a barn. It's a figure worth bragging about, of course, besting the upcoming 2013 Ford Fusion and 2012 Chevrolet Malibu Eco, not to mention the usual suspects from Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen and Korea Inc. Combined with an 18-gallon tank, that gives the Altima a bladder-perforating range of 680+ miles, tops in the segment. The more powerful V6 chips in with a respectable 22 mpg city and 30 mpg highway.




Like just about every other new family car these days, the drive for efficiency led Altima engineers to electric power steering for improved efficiency. Such setups reduce power draw on the engine but typically do so at the expense of steering feel. To combat this, Nissan's system employs a hydraulic rack powered by an electrically driven pump. The hybrid setup is a bit more complex, but a back-to-back flog with its Camry, Accord and Sonata nemeses on an Arizona handling course revealed that the hybrid setup is as mutually beneficial a relationship as Miranda Kerr and her Victoria's Secret hardware: the union results in good weighting, excellent directional accuracy and appreciably better feedback. At the end of the day, the Altima is still a front-wheel-drive family sedan riding on all-seasons rubber, but the difference is palpable.

Of course, the best steering setup in the world doesn't matter a lick if it's bolted to a chassis with more flip-flopping than an election year. Through a bit of magic (okay, strategically placed high-strength steel and a new front tower brace and rear parcel shelf reinforcement), the 2013 Altima's body weight is down while both overall size and stiffness is up. The sedan rides atop the same 109.3-inch wheelbase as last year, but its track is wider front and rear, the overall footprint is larger by about an inch in each direction, and the whole works sits about an inch lower. Suspension is still a front strut and rear multi-link array, but Nissan has spent development time and dollars where it counts: the multi-link includes novel connected bushings for better camber supervision in hard cornering and all Altimas come standard with pricy Sachs dampers as well as front and rear and anti-roll bars.

As before, the Altima quickly outs itself as one of the best-handling cars in the segment, with well-controlled primary and secondary impacts and nicely snubbed body control. The 2012 Altima was no slouch in the handling department, but could feel stiff-legged at times (particularly the V6). This new generation feels both better connected and more composed, with minimal body roll and a pleasingly firm comportment. We didn't hammer on them too much, but brakes (discs all 'round – 11.7-inch up front, 11.5-inch rear) also get the job done with progressive pedal feel and appropriate weighting.




Nissan's new Active Understeer Control system won't have you hanging the tail out, a plume of low-rolling resistance rubber in your wake, but by dragging the inside front brake during hard cornering to increase yaw moment, the sedan will dig into corners with a bit more tenacity. The system cannot be independently shut off, but is extinguished when the stability control system is defeated. No matter, it's so subtle that you won't notice it at work.

Styling is best described as evolutionary, with a look that builds on the outgoing model's design while borrowing elements from Nissan's own Maxima and Infiniti M. The overall look strikes us as more mature than dynamic, somewhere between the opinion-splitting "look at me" raciness of the Sonata and the Teutonic sobriety of VW's Passat. Projector headlamps come standard, as do LED taillamps. Overall, we like the look, particularly the way the sunlight plays on some of the sheetmetal's deep-draw contours, but there's arguably an overreliance on chrome to communicate the car's premium aspirations, particularly in the front grille.

If there were a single area where the exiting Altima needed a dramatic rethink, it was inside. While the outgoing car's ergonomics were solid, unkind plastics, middling switchgear, a tight back seat and a general lack of warmth dominated the cabin. For 2013, well-grained soft-touch plastics frame legible instruments and a well-organized center stack, and the so-called "Zero Gravity" NASA-inspired seats proved all-day comfortable and supportive in the bends. There's also a new 4-inch color multi-function display sandwiched between the speedometer and tachometer that keeps tabs on everything from the trip meter to navigation and Pandora, and it's artfully canted forward for improved perspective and ease-of-focus. Rear seat space has improved, but still comes across as a bit tight for class standards, especially compared to the Passat's NBA-spec accommodations. Like the exterior, the cabin's overall aesthetic hedges toward the conservative, but given the segment, that's appropriate. As it is, the Altima's new digs are at or near the top of the class.




Our top-spec SL tester included everything from heated power leather seats and a moonroof to a heated steering wheel and Bose stereo, and the optional $1,090 Tech Package (navigation + blind spot, lane departure and moving obstacle detection systems) and few peripheral add-ons (rear spoiler, mud guards and floor mats) brought the as-tested price to $30,590, including $780 in delivery fees. That's a thick stack of bills, but even the base $21,500 2.5 is equipped with Bluetooth telephony and streaming audio and remote keyless entry. Nissan expects the $24,100 SV to be the volume model, and it comes with remote start, dual-zone climate control, XM, rearview camera and hands-free text messaging. 3.5 V6 models start at $25,360 and add 18-inch alloys and paddleshifters.

1 other trick bit of tech is Nissan's aforementioned blind spot, lane departure and moving obstacle detection systems, all of which rely on a single wide-angle rearview camera with integrated washer and dryer. The novel setup works as advertised and is a simpler and more elegant solution than the radar-based systems that are more costly and blemish one's rear bumper with circular sensors.

As well equipped as the Altima is, looking across the aisle at its competition, there are still some missing options beginning to creep into the segment, including seat cooling, rear seat heaters, panoramic moonroof and telematics (OnStar, Blue Link), and you'll have to pop for a loaded V6 in order to get Xenon headlamps. Make no mistake, though, there's still a boatload of equipment here.


In fact, there's enough luxury character now overall that we couldn't help but wonder aloud if the newly matured Altima won't eat away at pricier Maxima sales. (Of course, we've wondered about this before, too). Nissan officials assure us that despite their mechanical and now visual similarities, Maxima buyers are very different than Altima customers, with average transaction prices around $30,000, versus around $24k for Altima. In fact, the company notes it shifted just under 60,000 Maximas last year, best in segment and handily topping rivals including the Buick LaCrosse, Toyota Avalon and Volkswagen CC, not to mention near-luxury players like the Acura TL. That's all well and good, of course, but until the next-generation Max arrives, this new V6 Altima offers a comparable (better?) interior with similar performance for a bunch less cash, so let's hope dealers don't park the 2 cars too close together. Speaking of related models, the Altima Coupe will soldier on into 2013 as-is, but its future remains uncertain.

Despite its status as an aging product, Nissan's old Altima quietly became America's 2nd best-selling car behind Toyota's almighty Camry just last year. Unlike Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam, officials we spoke with are downplaying going after the sales crown, but with class-leading fuel economy, performance and massively improved accommodations, this Tennessee-built sedan clearly packs the ammunition to give Team Akio a serious run for its money. Who knows, the 2013 Altima might even snag more than its fair share of the family-minded enthusiast's dollar... CVT and all.

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1450 RPM at 60mph is unheard of for a 4cyl midsize sedan. I wouldnt even take a second look at an Accord or a Camry.
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The interior is well appointed and I like the exterior styling. Hope it does well for nissan
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Originally Posted by GSteg
1450 RPM at 60mph is unheard of for a 4cyl midsize sedan.
Yeah, without a doubt.

In this day-and-age, I would have to guess that most cars that would have something like that are vehicles that put greater emphasis on low-end torque (like trucks and/or hybrids as well as diesels).

Simply put, in the case of the new Altima, what can be said is: "Wow, Nisaan really did wonders to improve the Xtronic CVT even further."

Brilliant indeed
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