F-Sport - too sporty?
02-14-12, 10:24 AM
#31
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First off Mike (MP) great thread and I appreciate you really thinking things out in your posts. Great reads. Some good commentary in here. My 2 cents
1. The majority of people buy off the lot. Even if BMW/Benz offer customization, it is the far minority of purchases. It is great it is offered no doubt.
2. As Henry stated it is about cost and Lexus figures if 90% will take the aluminum trim and 10% want a F-sport but won't buy b/c of the trim, they will take the 90%.
3. Lexus does offer customization in Japan as we found out a couple of years ago. Americans still get mostly option package choices.
My preference is also BLACKWOOD, I've started threads on it. I love it or Piano Black, I think that adds sport to an interior without being the usual aluminum. I am not a huge aluminum fan, its nice but not a first choice. It seems to be something that automakers have defaulted to.
On the other hand we still have to give Lexus credit for listening. Twenty years ago the GS had only beige and grey leather and one wood choice. Over the years Lexus has expanded choices and now here we are talking about a factory F-sport model! Its great to see it offered! Hell Lexus didn't offer aluminum in the GS until now.
At least the F sport has a black headliner and not gray
1. The majority of people buy off the lot. Even if BMW/Benz offer customization, it is the far minority of purchases. It is great it is offered no doubt.
2. As Henry stated it is about cost and Lexus figures if 90% will take the aluminum trim and 10% want a F-sport but won't buy b/c of the trim, they will take the 90%.
3. Lexus does offer customization in Japan as we found out a couple of years ago. Americans still get mostly option package choices.
My preference is also BLACKWOOD, I've started threads on it. I love it or Piano Black, I think that adds sport to an interior without being the usual aluminum. I am not a huge aluminum fan, its nice but not a first choice. It seems to be something that automakers have defaulted to.
On the other hand we still have to give Lexus credit for listening. Twenty years ago the GS had only beige and grey leather and one wood choice. Over the years Lexus has expanded choices and now here we are talking about a factory F-sport model! Its great to see it offered! Hell Lexus didn't offer aluminum in the GS until now.
At least the F sport has a black headliner and not gray
02-14-12, 11:03 AM
#33
To me, wood is what separates Lexus lesser brands :-).
But at the same time, I have read many other forums, and talked to other people here in Europe, and most other brand followers preffer aluminium.
To me buying Lexus without wood would be sacrilege. Do note that this is supposedly very nice real aluminium trip, unless that crap that went into A6's before.
But at the same time, I have read many other forums, and talked to other people here in Europe, and most other brand followers preffer aluminium.
To me buying Lexus without wood would be sacrilege. Do note that this is supposedly very nice real aluminium trip, unless that crap that went into A6's before.
02-14-12, 11:51 AM
#34
I agree with every word of this post. The fact that the Luxury package has the same class leading handling and suspension as the F-sport package IS A GOOD THING. Why should Lexus dumb down the Luxury package just to artifically create as distinction between F-sport and Luxury trims? Already the Big Brakes,19 inch wheels and F-sport only Rear wheel steering option is enough to differentiate the F-sport from the Luxury package.
The fact that we can get the best of both worlds - comfortable cruising in Normal mode and cornering machine in Sport+ mode just shows how much homework the Lexus engineers have done on suspension tuning this time around.
The fact that we can get the best of both worlds - comfortable cruising in Normal mode and cornering machine in Sport+ mode just shows how much homework the Lexus engineers have done on suspension tuning this time around.
your second paragraph again pretty much indicate that the fsport model is "redundant" because the luxury package gets what you need already. and if you think fsport is the best already and no further improvement possible, then that'd be silly.
First off Mike (MP) great thread and I appreciate you really thinking things out in your posts. Great reads. Some good commentary in here. My 2 cents
1. The majority of people buy off the lot. Even if BMW/Benz offer customization, it is the far minority of purchases. It is great it is offered no doubt.
2. As Henry stated it is about cost and Lexus figures if 90% will take the aluminum trim and 10% want a F-sport but won't buy b/c of the trim, they will take the 90%.
3. Lexus does offer customization in Japan as we found out a couple of years ago. Americans still get mostly option package choices.
My preference is also BLACKWOOD, I've started threads on it. I love it or Piano Black, I think that adds sport to an interior without being the usual aluminum. I am not a huge aluminum fan, its nice but not a first choice. It seems to be something that automakers have defaulted to.
On the other hand we still have to give Lexus credit for listening. Twenty years ago the GS had only beige and grey leather and one wood choice. Over the years Lexus has expanded choices and now here we are talking about a factory F-sport model! Its great to see it offered! Hell Lexus didn't offer aluminum in the GS until now.
At least the F sport has a black headliner and not gray
1. The majority of people buy off the lot. Even if BMW/Benz offer customization, it is the far minority of purchases. It is great it is offered no doubt.
2. As Henry stated it is about cost and Lexus figures if 90% will take the aluminum trim and 10% want a F-sport but won't buy b/c of the trim, they will take the 90%.
3. Lexus does offer customization in Japan as we found out a couple of years ago. Americans still get mostly option package choices.
My preference is also BLACKWOOD, I've started threads on it. I love it or Piano Black, I think that adds sport to an interior without being the usual aluminum. I am not a huge aluminum fan, its nice but not a first choice. It seems to be something that automakers have defaulted to.
On the other hand we still have to give Lexus credit for listening. Twenty years ago the GS had only beige and grey leather and one wood choice. Over the years Lexus has expanded choices and now here we are talking about a factory F-sport model! Its great to see it offered! Hell Lexus didn't offer aluminum in the GS until now.
At least the F sport has a black headliner and not gray
although lexus isn't doing what some of us DREAM for, i really praise lexus for listening and making good steps forward. try 10 years ago and look at the trim and interior and by comparison what we see today is huge already imho
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02-15-12, 10:15 AM
#37
I am looking back now too, even MB took at least 10 years to build up AMG to where they are today, the W210 E55 is pretty much their first official factory AMG built by MB, that came out about 10 years ago. Before that they had that W124 E500 that was built by Porsche, that was another 5~8 years back. So MB took a long time to establish AMG also, didn't happen overnight.
Now Lexus is starting it, ISF, LFA, now all these F-Sport stuff. So 10 years from now, there will be a F version or F-Sport in every model of Lexus
Now Lexus is starting it, ISF, LFA, now all these F-Sport stuff. So 10 years from now, there will be a F version or F-Sport in every model of Lexus
02-15-12, 10:44 AM
#38
I am looking back now too, even MB took at least 10 years to build up AMG to where they are today, the W210 E55 is pretty much their first official factory AMG built by MB, that came out about 10 years ago. Before that they had that W124 E500 that was built by Porsche, that was another 5~8 years back. So MB took a long time to establish AMG also, didn't happen overnight.
Now Lexus is starting it, ISF, LFA, now all these F-Sport stuff. So 10 years from now, there will be a F version or F-Sport in every model of Lexus
Now Lexus is starting it, ISF, LFA, now all these F-Sport stuff. So 10 years from now, there will be a F version or F-Sport in every model of Lexus
- fsport (good marketing)
- isf (good start)
- lfa (for technology)
- lf-lc (performance coupe)
- recently rx fsport (commitment to all models)
the only disconnect i see so far is on the 4gs. they have fsport but no v8. so question mark is all around gsf
04-16-12, 06:39 PM
#43
Pole Position
I just stumbled across this thread. I have to agree. Never really liked the IS-F trim but lived with it. Have you seen what you can do with a Maserati? I'm not saying you need to take it that far but a bit more flexibility on options you already offer would be nice.
I've heard Lincoln talking about "bespoke" this and "bespoke" that to help differentiate themselves from Lexus and other brands. I wonder how far they will take it and if that is the direction of more luxury brands?
I've heard Lincoln talking about "bespoke" this and "bespoke" that to help differentiate themselves from Lexus and other brands. I wonder how far they will take it and if that is the direction of more luxury brands?
04-16-12, 09:49 PM
#44
Lexus Champion
Personally, I too would like more customization if possible. Make it as 'bespoke' as possible..........because when it comes to premium automobile brands, I would (as much as possible) AVOID buying off the lot.
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