2013 Chevy Malibu's turbo four rated at 269 HP, 0-60 in 6.3 seconds
03-09-12, 06:16 PM
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Ah I see............but probably to an extent (since after all the Opel/Vauxhall Insigna, it's Buick counterparts as well as this Malibu use the Epsilon II body platform of GM).
Anyways, I meant export globally...............which GM states that their eyeing in more than 100 countries.
In Australia, this will slot below the Commodore (since Holden doesn't have the Insignia).
And from where I'm from, Chevrolet does not have a mid-size/executive/D-SEGMENT vehicle yet (i.e. the highest grade passenger car is only the Cruze). Initially, we planned to bring in the Epica diesel.............but the Epica ceased production so the Malibu would be great imho.
Anyways, I meant export globally...............which GM states that their eyeing in more than 100 countries.
In Australia, this will slot below the Commodore (since Holden doesn't have the Insignia).
And from where I'm from, Chevrolet does not have a mid-size/executive/D-SEGMENT vehicle yet (i.e. the highest grade passenger car is only the Cruze). Initially, we planned to bring in the Epica diesel.............but the Epica ceased production so the Malibu would be great imho.
It really does seem like GM is not treating Opel right, as if they are putting all the costs on Opel side and then reap the rewards on Daewoo side.
03-10-12, 12:20 AM
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Even though the Camry has better figures I would go with the Chevy in a heartbeat. The styling is very beautiful for a car in this segment and the interior is quite impressive in person also. Of course, you're not going to buy a car in this class segment to worry about 0-60 times and being quick.
03-10-12, 04:12 AM
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Even though the Camry has better figures I would go with the Chevy in a heartbeat. The styling is very beautiful for a car in this segment and the interior is quite impressive in person also. Of course, you're not going to buy a car in this class segment to worry about 0-60 times and being quick.
it is not because camry wants to be fastest car on the road, rather it is side product of simply better engineering that led to 400lbs lighter car.
03-10-12, 06:02 AM
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I love turbo 4 cylinders, like a lot of other enthusiasts here. They just aren't for the general populace that just wants a car that accelerates well and gets good fuel economy (they do get good fuel economy, and they do accelerate well, but in this case, displacement matters) For the enthusiasts out there, seeing that lower rpm max torque number is worrying because that means they used a really small turbo and it is likely maxed out at or just barely above stock power levels...
03-10-12, 09:17 AM
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03-11-12, 08:38 AM
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turbo 4 cylinders are ~not~ for the masses, they are for the enthusiasts - they simply have to be run too hard to make good power, and the general population is not good about the requirements of regular oil changes, etc.
I love turbo 4 cylinders, like a lot of other enthusiasts here. They just aren't for the general populace that just wants a car that accelerates well and gets good fuel economy
I love turbo 4 cylinders, like a lot of other enthusiasts here. They just aren't for the general populace that just wants a car that accelerates well and gets good fuel economy
just b/c toyota doesn't (currently) sell turbo engines and therefore you likely have no recent experience with them does not make what you state to be fact. and if toyota engines were better designed for the non-regular-interval-oil-changing general population (as you imply) then toyota would not have had a huge oil sludge recall/lawsuit on their hands. the fact is most other manufacturers are coming to realize the advantages in efficiency of turbocharging smaller engines, something that a handful of manufacturers have understood for the past decade or so
03-11-12, 09:15 AM
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please reset your time machine from 1985 and come join the rest of us here in 2012
just b/c toyota doesn't (currently) sell turbo engines and therefore you likely have no recent experience with them does not make what you state to be fact. and if toyota engines were better designed for the non-regular-interval-oil-changing general population (as you imply) then toyota would not have had a huge oil sludge recall/lawsuit on their hands. the fact is most other manufacturers are coming to realize the advantages in efficiency of turbocharging smaller engines, something that a handful of manufacturers have understood for the past decade or so
just b/c toyota doesn't (currently) sell turbo engines and therefore you likely have no recent experience with them does not make what you state to be fact. and if toyota engines were better designed for the non-regular-interval-oil-changing general population (as you imply) then toyota would not have had a huge oil sludge recall/lawsuit on their hands. the fact is most other manufacturers are coming to realize the advantages in efficiency of turbocharging smaller engines, something that a handful of manufacturers have understood for the past decade or so
No recent experience with turbocharged engines... Hmmm... I am turbocharging my IS300 this week, in my garage. I have extensive experience with the current Mazda offerings, as well as the current Mitsubishi offerings. I live and breathe turbo cars (and trucks)...
This is a generalization, I know, but, buyers of inexpensive 4 door sedans are generally the type to slack on maintenance. They just don't care about their cars as much as an enthusiast that buys a turbo car... I'm not saying the car will be a terrible car, but unless GM has significantly increased their reliability (they haven't) then they will end up like the current crop of Malibus with oil leaks, intake leaks, etc. couple that with an owner base less likely to repair their car and maintain them, and it might be a big mess...
Then you have the enthusiast that wants one, well, with a tiny turbo, not going to make much more power there either... For this consumer segment, a fuel efficient v6 makes the most sense...
03-11-12, 02:47 PM
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Speaking of turbos, I've noticed that Ford in their TV ads for anything with Eco Boost don't mention what it is. They just talk about the power of a larger engine and fuel economy of a smaller engine. It makes me wonder if they don't want to play up the word turbocharged to potential buyers.
03-11-12, 04:35 PM
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as for the fusion, i'm sure market research showed few were willing to pay the premium in that market segment.
Speaking of turbos, I've noticed that Ford in their TV ads for anything with Eco Boost don't mention what it is. They just talk about the power of a larger engine and fuel economy of a smaller engine. It makes me wonder if they don't want to play up the word turbocharged to potential buyers.