All-New 2014 Impala – Chevrolet Reinvents an Iconic Sedan
04-08-12, 08:11 PM
#76
Lexus Test Driver
04-09-12, 06:12 AM
#78
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people used to say the same about airbags and seat belts and third brake lights and power windows and keyless ignitions too. And your grandfathers didn't like the mechancial looms of the industrial revolution. If you don't want to the options, then Luddites don't need to get them.
far too late, unless you intend to get a used yugo or lada then.
almost all cars are filled to the gills with electronics, controlling steering, braking, engine, transmission, gas, acceleration, etc., etc.
04-09-12, 07:22 AM
#79
A system that actually takes over the control of steering, acceleration and braking - virtually drives the car without the drivers involvement... sorry, do not want.
04-09-12, 07:58 AM
#80
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04-09-12, 08:03 AM
#81
that's simply not true. most cars are getting electric steering which is electronically adjusted. you have no direct connection between steering wheel and wheel angle. most cars have no mechanical connection any longer between gas and brake pedals and auto transmission lever and the engine/brakes/transmission. it's all software.
04-09-12, 09:37 AM
#82
I am glad that I didn't get the dynamic radar cruise control on my IS though (as an option). I wouldn't have used it. Glad I can put that money towards mods hah!
On a separate note I don't use the navigation either, but I had to have it cause it looks aesthetically better in the IS with nav than without
04-09-12, 10:29 AM
#83
Lexus Champion
that's simply not true. most cars are getting electric steering which is electronically adjusted. you have no direct connection between steering wheel and wheel angle. most cars have no mechanical connection any longer between gas and brake pedals and auto transmission lever and the engine/brakes/transmission. it's all software.
I also do not like safety-devices that try to tell you what to do or do it for you. Included in my list are features such as blind-spot indication, lane indication and active stay-in-lane steering, and pre-collision braking. Anything that is similar to a driving instructor with a foot too near a secondary brake pedal is a no-no in by driving book.
I do not mind so-called passive safety devices, such as anti-lock brakes (ABS), electronic stability control (ESC) with traction control, brake assist (BA) and electronic brake-force distribution (EBD). On slippery roads, I simply could not react as quickly as these features can to save my soul (or I may overreact).
I have learned to use and appreciate cruise control but I could do without it. I remember when it first came out 20+ years ago, it was not safe to use because we were not used to it. We allowed it to lead us to a false sense of security so that we were no longer applying the full attention to driving that we should have. Now that I have learned to use it, I still pay attention to driving and my finger is never far from the cancel lever and my right foot never far from the accelerator or brake pedals.
04-09-12, 01:57 PM
#84
I have learned to use and appreciate cruise control but I could do without it. I remember when it first came out 20+ years ago, it was not safe to use because we were not used to it. We allowed it to lead us to a false sense of security so that we were no longer applying the full attention to driving that we should have.
04-09-12, 03:07 PM
#85
Lexus Champion
If you are a competent driver why do you need VSC and ABS? just another thing to break. . and just replacing the skills that a driver should be doing on their own.
and back up cameras! can't people just look in the rear view mirror!. . In fact why do we even have rear view mirrors !!! just turn around !! all these things just replace the skills that a driver should be doing on their own.
Why do they even have an engine. everyone should just drive their horse and buggy. . .
In fact why even have a horse! this just replaces the walking that people should be doing on their own!
and back up cameras! can't people just look in the rear view mirror!. . In fact why do we even have rear view mirrors !!! just turn around !! all these things just replace the skills that a driver should be doing on their own.
Why do they even have an engine. everyone should just drive their horse and buggy. . .
In fact why even have a horse! this just replaces the walking that people should be doing on their own!
And--even if that's the case, if you think that everyone else on the road is as good a driver as you are, you haven't looked around very much. These technologies don't make good drivers worse--they make bad drivers better.
04-09-12, 03:46 PM
#86
didnt lexus actually have first production full speed adaptive cruise control on the market?
04-09-12, 04:24 PM
#87
Lexus Test Driver
I think that adaptive cruise control, automatic parking, etc are detrimental. When we become accustomed to driving a car with these features, how will we function if we have to drive a different car without them? Does anybody here want to have their car backed into by somebody who doesn't know how to parallel park because their other car usually does it for them?
But back to the orignal topic. I think the Impala looks very good, inside and out. It's the first time for a long while that I've looked at a new offering from GM and thought 'Damn, I want it'.
But back to the orignal topic. I think the Impala looks very good, inside and out. It's the first time for a long while that I've looked at a new offering from GM and thought 'Damn, I want it'.
04-09-12, 06:00 PM
#88
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Despite the electrical assistance, there is still the hydraulic connection between the brake pedal and the brakes, and the mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the steering rack; with the engine off, your brakes still work and you can still steer the car. I would not want to drive a car that has true brake-by-wire and/or steer-by-wire where the connection between the actuator and the actuated is an electrical wire, so that, with engine off, I could no longer control the car.
with engine off, it's difficult to control modern cars with no power brakes or power steering. give it a try sometime.
I also do not like safety-devices that try to tell you what to do or do it for you. Included in my list are features such as blind-spot indication, lane indication and active stay-in-lane steering, and pre-collision braking. Anything that is similar to a driving instructor with a foot too near a secondary brake pedal is a no-no in by driving book.
i'm sure the same thing was and maybe still is said about automatic transmissions.
I have learned to use and appreciate cruise control but I could do without it. I remember when it first came out 20+ years ago, it was not safe to use because we were not used to it.
it's been around 50+ years and has been a godsend for people driving long distances on boring interstates. it LESSENS fatigue.
Now that I have learned to use it, I still pay attention to driving and my finger is never far from the cancel lever and my right foot never far from the accelerator or brake pedals.
I think you're not seeing my point. Electronic steering and throttle are still directly controlled by user's input, its just software and electric motors are used instead of a direct cable. These systems have both positives and negatives - but this is completely different from a car doing steering, accelerating and braking on its own.
just get me there already. if the car can do it all, great! ABS "replaces the skills" that a driver should have? If you can pump the brakes at the same rate that ABS can do it, then you must have a bionic leg.
And--even if that's the case, if you think that everyone else on the road is as good a driver as you are, you haven't looked around very much. These technologies don't make good drivers worse--they make bad drivers better.
And--even if that's the case, if you think that everyone else on the road is as good a driver as you are, you haven't looked around very much. These technologies don't make good drivers worse--they make bad drivers better.
04-09-12, 06:01 PM
#89
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I think that adaptive cruise control, automatic parking, etc are detrimental. When we become accustomed to driving a car with these features, how will we function if we have to drive a different car without them? Does anybody here want to have their car backed into by somebody who doesn't know how to parallel park because their other car usually does it for them?