2013 Cadillac XTS priced from $44,995*
#16
Lexus Fanatic
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did some more checking:
fleetwood:
Wheelbase 121.5 in
Length 225.0 in
Width 78.0 in
Height 57.1 in
Curb weight 4,600–4,700 lb
Horsepower 260
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Fleetwood
xts:
Wheelbase: 111.7 inches
Length: 202 inches
Width: 72.9 inches
Height: 59.1 inches
Curb weight: 3,995 lbs
Horsepower: 300
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...illac-xts3.htm
Note that the fleetwood is longer and wider, but the xts is 2" taller, and of course, 600-700lbs lighter and more powerful with tons more standard equipment!
i doubt the fleetwood's interior space was much better (except width), because so much of its length was taken up by gigantic hood and trunk lengths.
fleetwood:
Wheelbase 121.5 in
Length 225.0 in
Width 78.0 in
Height 57.1 in
Curb weight 4,600–4,700 lb
Horsepower 260
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Fleetwood
xts:
Wheelbase: 111.7 inches
Length: 202 inches
Width: 72.9 inches
Height: 59.1 inches
Curb weight: 3,995 lbs
Horsepower: 300
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...illac-xts3.htm
Note that the fleetwood is longer and wider, but the xts is 2" taller, and of course, 600-700lbs lighter and more powerful with tons more standard equipment!
i doubt the fleetwood's interior space was much better (except width), because so much of its length was taken up by gigantic hood and trunk lengths.
#18
Lexus Test Driver
Its like the DTS.....it'll probably have the craptastic NORTHSTAR FWD V8 like its failicious predecessor. God the deville/DTS was horrible. Why anyone would want FWD and a V8 is beyond me. Hell a Camry torque steers with a 268hp 3.5L V6.
I would so much rather the new ES and save myself a few bills in the process. If i wanted a Cadillac i'd get a real RWD CTS.
I would so much rather the new ES and save myself a few bills in the process. If i wanted a Cadillac i'd get a real RWD CTS.
#19
This is a really good looking sharp car, and I even considered looking at buying one, then the new ES came out and all bets were off, moreover, I still believe firmly that Lexus makes a much more 'quality' car. If I'm going to spend 50K, then I'll look at Lexus first, for sure.
#20
Lexus Fanatic
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just curious, did you ever drive one? like your ES, it's no track star, but perfectly composed as a big comfy car.
#21
Its like the DTS.....it'll probably have the craptastic NORTHSTAR FWD V8 like its failicious predecessor. God the deville/DTS was horrible. Why anyone would want FWD and a V8 is beyond me. Hell a Camry torque steers with a 268hp 3.5L V6.
I would so much rather the new ES and save myself a few bills in the process. If i wanted a Cadillac i'd get a real RWD CTS.
I would so much rather the new ES and save myself a few bills in the process. If i wanted a Cadillac i'd get a real RWD CTS.
#22
Lexus Champion
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That Northstar V8 was actually a pretty great engine from an engineering point of view. The power derived from the powerplant was class leading. Now we all know the propensity for it to drink motor oil and poor reliability as it got older really dampened its reputation. LOL.
Northstar has been phased out. This will get a DI V6.
Northstar has been phased out. This will get a DI V6.
#23
Lexus Test Driver
I hope this new sedan is better for them, but I still do not see the need for this car. If i wanted a large FWD sedan I'd just buy an ES like i already did.
#24
Lexus Fanatic
Most of the people driving the DTS are either aged or, for the few younger persons with them, simply don't care about drag-strip performance or high-G cornering. They are sedate drivers, and rarely accelerate hard enough for noticeable torque-steer to kick in.
#25
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#26
Lexus Champion
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Gotta respectfully disagree, Paul. It's true that Obama and his cronies are trying to force us all into super-high-MPG cars in the next few years. But the government actions are clearly going against a good portion of the public's desires. A significant number of older folks, police, taxi drivers, and driver-school instructors still mourn the passing of GM's full-size RWD V8 full-frame cars....and are also mourning the more recent passing of Ford's big V8 full-frame cars as well. I myself have talked to many people who are dissatisfied even with today's DeVille/DTS....to them, real Cadillacs were Fleetwoods, and real Buicks Roadmasters. Cops and taxi drivers of course, flocked to the Crown Vic when the Caprice was dropped.....and few, if any, of the more modern smaller unibody police cars really please them.
I see nothing wrong with companies being pushed to produce more fuel efficient cars. Gas prices are only going up. If anyone thinks release of US reserves and shale is going to result in lower prices... LOL, I've got news for you. I for one, would rather have a car that gets better MPG. Also, what is it about the older cars that people miss? I'm sure this new XTS will out perform and out comfort the old Fleetwood by miles. Is it just nostalgia? If so then that will pass.
#27
Lexus Fanatic
I have to agree that the the Fleetwood type vehicle is obsolete.
There was a time and place for the Fleetwood.
#28
Lexus Fanatic
We'll see what happens with the XTS. I'd bet the rent-money, though, that it will be noticeably firmer than the DTS. (But I'm an honest enough person to admit if and when I'm wrong...I've done it before)
I agree though, on AWD. Their flagship model (hopefully to come) will be more in the CTS vein with emphasis on power, handling, and the 'Ring.
#29
Lexus Test Driver
Based on styling alone, this new XTS is just a new twist on a long line of poor selling full-sized Cadillacs and Lincolns. Not enough is changed here. It still has stodgy and retro styling- none of which leads to longterm sales or capturing the aging baby boomers. The game changed back in the 90's when Lexus introduced cars like the ES and LS. Suddenly the executive or retiree could have a modern piece of technology that still rode smoothly and had good storage space. That was the beginning of the end for the big American iron.
I wish Caddy luck, it's going to need it.
I wish Caddy luck, it's going to need it.
#30
Lexus Fanatic
The game changed back in the 90's when Lexus introduced cars like the ES and LS. Suddenly the executive or retiree could have a modern piece of technology that still rode smoothly and had good storage space. That was the beginning of the end for the big American iron.