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Old 05-23-12, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
you're welcome. most people don't realize you can't patent an idea for a thing either, only the 'non-obvious' process of creating a thing or the process itself of doing something.
yeah, i have gone through patent stuff here and there, awful to say the least a lot of work and you have to prove a lot too.

so back in this case with the lexus grille, i think if lexus wants to continue this trend, trademarking the design is a good idea
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
can't patent a logo, only trademark it.
Ay...

There's the rub.
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Never before in modern times has car style copying been so prevalent. Hyundai, Kia, Honda, Audi, Ford, Lexus.... all sharing taillights or grilles or whatever. Audi really started something with their widemouth grille in 2005. Mitsubishi and others have followed with gaping holes.

As far as Lexus's spindle, I think it has a nice shape to it. Flare inward above the bumper, flare outward below the bumper. That is a pretty basic idea to make the upper half clean and traditional, but at the same time adds some sport to the lower half by making the body work appear as if it's spreading out to cover the wheels. The one exception to all this is with the new GS Sport, which adds too many vertical "accessory" air intakes on the lower half of bumper.
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I have been driving a Lexus for 12 years. If the spindle is still around when I move up I will definitively look elsewhere.
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Old 08-11-12, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by joeh80
I have been driving a Lexus for 12 years. If the spindle is still around when I move up I will definitively look elsewhere.
It's not going anywhere.
I'm not a fan of it on certain Lexus models.
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Old 08-11-12, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
interesting that you can patent a "style" / "shape"
In US/Can, you can trademark a style/shape. Certain countries in Europe (e.g. Germany) they use patents for inventions and style/shape.
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Originally Posted by joeh80
I have been driving a Lexus for 12 years. If the spindle is still around when I move up I will definitively look elsewhere.
I'd guess it will be around for at least 6 yrs so depends when you intend to move up.
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Old 08-11-12, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oohpapi44
What does the article clarify? I'm lost.
me too
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Anybody can file for a patent for anything whenever they want but it doesn't mean they have a "spindle of chance" of getting the grant for it. I can go file for a patent on a circular wheel tomorrow and put out marketing that I am do it but it doesn't really meant squat.

In fact if VW really want to put a stop to this none sense al they got to do is send the uspto a picture of this.
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Old 08-12-12, 02:26 AM
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You must have failed basic geometry since the Audi inverted trapezoid is a diifferent shape to the kinked Lexus spindle.
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
In fact if VW really want to put a stop to this none sense al they got to do is send the uspto a picture of this.
prior art FTL...

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can't we all just get along?

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Originally Posted by 1QWKGS4
Unfortunately, Lexus "thinks" they have a real winner here.. Look at Audi big open-wide mouth grill (nobody copy that crap and i don't think any other co. wants that Spindle "Predator" crap neither..)

Like Oohpapi said,

Yes please, one generation is enough.. its not full blown predator on all of them yet and I'm already tired of looking at them.. (Big Sigh)
Audi has trademarked their single frame grill and lots of people have copied, from Hyundai to Ford.
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Old 08-12-12, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Stormwind
Anybody can file for a patent for anything whenever they want but it doesn't mean they have a "spindle of chance" of getting the grant for it. I can go file for a patent on a circular wheel tomorrow and put out marketing that I am do it but it doesn't really meant squat.

In fact if VW really want to put a stop to this none sense al they got to do is send the uspto a picture of this.
are you serious or? so basically Audi invented grille? since shape is not similar under any circumstances.
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Old 08-12-12, 12:23 PM
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As a matter of fact, the first ever Toyota model, the AA built as a prototype in 1935 has a large grille very similar in shape to that of the Audi:






So, all the claims that Audi were copied by japanese are pure joke. Besides, the Audi grille was created by a japanese - Satoshi Wada. Very underrated designer by the way, author of the A5, the prevoius A6 and Q7.

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