Official: IIHS launching first new frontal crash test since 1995
08-14-12, 10:01 AM
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The way IIHS rate this small over lap test is a bit strange to me. I went throgh the photos from that test batch and both the red and silver car got a poor rating but if you look at it the silver car is completely crushed and red held up just fine.
If you were in the silver car your legs will be crushed and be suffering for a long time until someone cuts you out. (without your legs most likely)
But in the red car you be walking away on your own, injured yes, but walking away none the less. So IIHS needs to seriously re-evaulate their ratings as it doesn't not make any sense at all.
If you were in the silver car your legs will be crushed and be suffering for a long time until someone cuts you out. (without your legs most likely)
But in the red car you be walking away on your own, injured yes, but walking away none the less. So IIHS needs to seriously re-evaulate their ratings as it doesn't not make any sense at all.
08-14-12, 11:09 AM
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The way IIHS rate this small over lap test is a bit strange to me. I went throgh the photos from that test batch and both the red and silver car got a poor rating but if you look at it the silver car is completely crushed and red held up just fine.
If you were in the silver car your legs will be crushed and be suffering for a long time until someone cuts you out. (without your legs most likely)
But in the red car you be walking away on your own, injured yes, but walking away none the less. So IIHS needs to seriously re-evaulate their ratings as it doesn't not make any sense at all.
If you were in the silver car your legs will be crushed and be suffering for a long time until someone cuts you out. (without your legs most likely)
But in the red car you be walking away on your own, injured yes, but walking away none the less. So IIHS needs to seriously re-evaulate their ratings as it doesn't not make any sense at all.
http://www.iihs.org/externaldata/srdata/docs/sr4706.pdf
08-14-12, 04:44 PM
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08-14-12, 05:47 PM
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Toyota/Lexus not so much, and you can tell by the way that IS crumbles. If you compare it with the Mercedes C-class (Mercedes having a reputation for solidity), you will notice how little the C-class passenger compartment crumples.
The theory also is that softly sprung cars like Toyota/Lexuses don't need as stiff a body as sportier cars (Hondas, Nissans, etc...) and this has probably made Toyota complacent in this area.
BUT it's also important to note that many things can contribute to how much that passenger compartment crumples, and it might not all be about solidity. A correctly placed crumple beam could have prevented much of the carnage for example. Also while the IS looks like one of the newest cars in its segment from those videos, it is the oldest, and therefore has the oldest engineered body.
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08-14-12, 06:10 PM
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it is not that complicated - oldest cars get the worst ratings... they probably picked IS and ES because they were old cars to make a point.
And such new tests are usually known to automakers few years before they are implemented, so they have time to engineer their new models for them.
And such new tests are usually known to automakers few years before they are implemented, so they have time to engineer their new models for them.
I wouldn't expect the 2014 IS to be much better. I doubt they can make these sort of changes to the under-body at this point.
08-14-12, 06:24 PM
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Honda's bodies are very strong and stiff, which is something I've noticed of late.
Toyota/Lexus not so much, and you can tell by the way that IS crumbles. If you compare it with the Mercedes C-class (Mercedes having a reputation for solidity), you will notice how little the C-class passenger compartment crumples.
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The theory also is that softly sprung cars like Toyota/Lexuses don't need as stiff a body as sportier cars (Hondas, Nissans, etc...) and this has probably made Toyota complacent in this area.
BUT it's also important to note that many things can contribute to how much that passenger compartment crumples, and it might not all be about solidity. A correctly placed crumple beam could have prevented much of the carnage for example. Also while the IS looks like one of the newest cars in its segment from those videos, it is the oldest, and therefore has the oldest engineered body.
Toyota/Lexus not so much, and you can tell by the way that IS crumbles. If you compare it with the Mercedes C-class (Mercedes having a reputation for solidity), you will notice how little the C-class passenger compartment crumples.
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The theory also is that softly sprung cars like Toyota/Lexuses don't need as stiff a body as sportier cars (Hondas, Nissans, etc...) and this has probably made Toyota complacent in this area.
BUT it's also important to note that many things can contribute to how much that passenger compartment crumples, and it might not all be about solidity. A correctly placed crumple beam could have prevented much of the carnage for example. Also while the IS looks like one of the newest cars in its segment from those videos, it is the oldest, and therefore has the oldest engineered body.
The goalposts changed on existing cars not designed to test well here. Look at how ****ing ugly cars and vehicles are getting due to safety and crash standards and pedestrian laws in Europe. What are we going to do next attach bull horns in front of cars?
All the cars are safe to me and I don't fear riding/driving any of them.
08-14-12, 06:51 PM
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it is not that complicated - oldest cars get the worst ratings... they probably picked IS and ES because they were old cars to make a point.
And such new tests are usually known to automakers few years before they are implemented, so they have time to engineer their new models for them.
And such new tests are usually known to automakers few years before they are implemented, so they have time to engineer their new models for them.
rank from top to bottom : first model year
TL: 2009
S60: 2010
4th G: 2007
TSX: 2009
BMW 3: 2012
MKZ:2010
CC: 2008
C : 2007
IS:2005
A4: 2008
ES350: 2006
08-14-12, 07:03 PM
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Remember when Lexus aced the offset test back in 1995
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...1&seriesid=519
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...1&seriesid=519
08-14-12, 07:29 PM
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08-14-12, 07:36 PM
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Please post more pics of your Volvo. Wow
Lexus response to test
"With this new test, the Institute has raised the bar again and we will respond to this challenge as we design new vehicles," said Brian Lyons, a spokesman for Toyota Motor Sales (TM), USA, which sells Lexus vehicles.
Mercedes-Benz response to test
"As a leader in automotive safety, we have full confidence in the protection that the C-Class affords its occupants -- and less confidence in any test that doesn't reflect that," the German automaker said in a statement.
Hahhahaha, I love Mercedes
Epic response.
