2014 gs f
09-12-12, 08:26 AM
#91
Lexus Test Driver
The IS-F while ground-breaking for Lexus, was based on old suspension and chassis principles and never won any handling comparos vs the M3.
The new GS tellingly didn't gain any weight over the previous generations despite its increased dimensions and has convincingly beaten the 5 series in head-to-head handling comparisons AND it is the first mainstream Lexus platform built from ground-up that incorporates Lexus' new ride/steering/handling DNA.
Firstly, I don't believe for a second that the GS-F will have only 50 more hp than the IS-F. There will be a significant hp/torque increase over the ISF. Second, Lexus new philosophy is about building in lightness rather than just pumping power. I suspect the GS-F will incorporate significant chassis lightening tech from the LFA eg carbon fiber, aluminium and ultra high strength steel sort of like the ISF-CCR. As long as the weight-to-hp/torque ratio is comparable to the M5, the GSF will be a viable competitor.
The new GS tellingly didn't gain any weight over the previous generations despite its increased dimensions and has convincingly beaten the 5 series in head-to-head handling comparisons AND it is the first mainstream Lexus platform built from ground-up that incorporates Lexus' new ride/steering/handling DNA.
Firstly, I don't believe for a second that the GS-F will have only 50 more hp than the IS-F. There will be a significant hp/torque increase over the ISF. Second, Lexus new philosophy is about building in lightness rather than just pumping power. I suspect the GS-F will incorporate significant chassis lightening tech from the LFA eg carbon fiber, aluminium and ultra high strength steel sort of like the ISF-CCR. As long as the weight-to-hp/torque ratio is comparable to the M5, the GSF will be a viable competitor.
09-12-12, 08:35 AM
#92
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09-12-12, 08:36 AM
#93
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We can also speculate on the following about the GS F:
- will there be an additional mode above Sport+?
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport?
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims?
- will LDH/DRS be standard?
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA?
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch?
- stacked quad pipes?
- colors?
Again, I can't wait. This will be my milestone birthday gift to myself.
- will there be an additional mode above Sport+?
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport?
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims?
- will LDH/DRS be standard?
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA?
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch?
- stacked quad pipes?
- colors?
Again, I can't wait. This will be my milestone birthday gift to myself.
09-12-12, 08:38 AM
#94
Lead Lap
1. Anyone thinking that it would look at all different then the current model, will sadly be mistaken.
2. There is NO WAY to add a V8 engine and keep the weight down...without sacrificing safety (fiberglass vs sheet metal) or insulation.
3. Anything less than 500hp will get laughed at, and have no chance at competing with the Germans...no matter what the claimed 0-60 time is
4. As has already been said, people in this market could give two spits about the gas guzzler tax.
Sadly, there is room under the hood for a larger engine...was just hoping it would be something more spectacular.
Doesn't matter, I'm not spending $100K on a mid-size sedan.
2. There is NO WAY to add a V8 engine and keep the weight down...without sacrificing safety (fiberglass vs sheet metal) or insulation.
3. Anything less than 500hp will get laughed at, and have no chance at competing with the Germans...no matter what the claimed 0-60 time is
4. As has already been said, people in this market could give two spits about the gas guzzler tax.
Sadly, there is room under the hood for a larger engine...was just hoping it would be something more spectacular.
Doesn't matter, I'm not spending $100K on a mid-size sedan.
09-12-12, 08:55 AM
#95
Im going to have to disagree with you here. If you look at the trends of how the M5 sold and talk to owners about why they bought, you'll find that reviews have a significant effect on the sales of super sedans. Being the most talked about car in your class is whats going to get buyers through the door. Lexus has been great in marketing its vehicles, but has been lax when it comes to initial competitiveness in the sports car market.
Most M3 owners will tell you that the ISF is slower than an M3 because they say/read an article in a magazine or something similar on youtube. Its been years from the initial launch, the IS-F has grown up to be a proven faster car than its M3 rival, but nobody talks about it. If Lexus is looking for this car to really sell, they need to go BIG. Shock the market with a platform that is just stunning and awe inspiring. If the GS-F were to be faster than the new M5, it would be a huge splash in the water and every car magazine would be fighting over the chance to compare the two.
I agree Lexus will need 500+ hp to take sales away from M5, E-AMG and RS6. That's because people who want super sedans want the fastest.
What I'm saying that is different is that not everyone cares about horsepower wars and a 460 hp GSF will sell. I care more about getting a big coupe with anything over 350hp.
But my bottom line is that Lexus should not risk it. While you're at it, give people that 500 hp, along with great handling and outsell everyone else.
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09-12-12, 09:22 AM
#98
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If real (we're still talking internet rumor and lots of winky smileys here) I'm personally looking forward to this and the GS-F might be my next new car. That is assuming I can get back some of the garage from my wife. I personally don't care about bragging rights on most HP and look forward to a better balanced car with that level of power, tech, reliability and Lexus service.
I'm certain that fans of other brands will continue the horsepower/ torque comparisons and do think getting somewhat closer to the competition would make a much more important statement about Lexus and F Performance line. The IS-F roughly matched competitors; if the rumored HP level is on point, this seems like a "Goldilocks" approach not directly aimed at the competition. That's OK with me and I'm certain will be with many other buyers. I'm just not sure how it will fair in the press and the constant 'straight line acceleration' tests just like we've seen over and over with the LFA for example. But I guess Lexus owners can start saying "but we'll lose them in the twisties" like we've heard from other brands for years
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I very much hope the lessons learned from the IS-F suspension tweaks in the latest iterations (including a real LSD) are carried forward to the GS-F and there isn't a similar learning curve by Lexus on the GS-F. They seem to have applied magic to the 4GS very well, but need to continue and absolutely nail them on the GS-F to add the extra power to the existing competency. If they don't have a real LSD I'll probably wait until they bring one that does.
Looking forward to some real press releases on this.
I'm certain that fans of other brands will continue the horsepower/ torque comparisons and do think getting somewhat closer to the competition would make a much more important statement about Lexus and F Performance line. The IS-F roughly matched competitors; if the rumored HP level is on point, this seems like a "Goldilocks" approach not directly aimed at the competition. That's OK with me and I'm certain will be with many other buyers. I'm just not sure how it will fair in the press and the constant 'straight line acceleration' tests just like we've seen over and over with the LFA for example. But I guess Lexus owners can start saying "but we'll lose them in the twisties" like we've heard from other brands for years
.I very much hope the lessons learned from the IS-F suspension tweaks in the latest iterations (including a real LSD) are carried forward to the GS-F and there isn't a similar learning curve by Lexus on the GS-F. They seem to have applied magic to the 4GS very well, but need to continue and absolutely nail them on the GS-F to add the extra power to the existing competency. If they don't have a real LSD I'll probably wait until they bring one that does.
Looking forward to some real press releases on this.
09-12-12, 09:25 AM
#99
- will there be an additional mode above Sport+? No
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport? Bigger side bolster on the seats, subtle F badges here and there, 2 tones leather.
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims? Yes 20s
- will LDH/DRS be standard? Optional
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA? No
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch? 8-Speeds torque converter
- stacked quad pipes? quad side by side
- colors? same as GS350 F
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport? Bigger side bolster on the seats, subtle F badges here and there, 2 tones leather.
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims? Yes 20s
- will LDH/DRS be standard? Optional
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA? No
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch? 8-Speeds torque converter
- stacked quad pipes? quad side by side
- colors? same as GS350 F
09-12-12, 09:31 AM
#101
If real (we're still talking internet rumor and lots of winky smileys here) I'm personally looking forward to this and the GS-F might be my next new car. That is assuming I can get back some of the garage from my wife. I personally don't care about bragging rights on most HP and look forward to a better balanced car with that level of power, tech, reliability and Lexus service.
I'm certain that fans of other brands will continue the horsepower/ torque comparisons and do think getting somewhat closer to the competition would make a much more important statement about Lexus and F Performance line. The IS-F roughly matched competitors; if the rumored HP level is on point, this seems like a "Goldilocks" approach not directly aimed at the competition. That's OK with me and I'm certain will be with many other buyers. I'm just not sure how it will fair in the press and the constant 'straight line acceleration' tests just like we've seen over and over with the LFA for example. But I guess Lexus owners can start saying "but we'll lose them in the twisties" like we've heard from other brands for years.
I very much hope the lessons learned from the IS-F suspension tweaks in the latest iterations (including a real LSD) are carried forward to the GS-F and there isn't a similar learning curve by Lexus on the GS-F. They seem to have applied magic to the 4GS very well, but need to continue and absolutely nail them on the GS-F to add the extra power to the existing competency. If they don't have a real LSD I'll probably wait until they bring one that does.
Looking forward to some real press releases on this.
I'm certain that fans of other brands will continue the horsepower/ torque comparisons and do think getting somewhat closer to the competition would make a much more important statement about Lexus and F Performance line. The IS-F roughly matched competitors; if the rumored HP level is on point, this seems like a "Goldilocks" approach not directly aimed at the competition. That's OK with me and I'm certain will be with many other buyers. I'm just not sure how it will fair in the press and the constant 'straight line acceleration' tests just like we've seen over and over with the LFA for example. But I guess Lexus owners can start saying "but we'll lose them in the twisties" like we've heard from other brands for years
.I very much hope the lessons learned from the IS-F suspension tweaks in the latest iterations (including a real LSD) are carried forward to the GS-F and there isn't a similar learning curve by Lexus on the GS-F. They seem to have applied magic to the 4GS very well, but need to continue and absolutely nail them on the GS-F to add the extra power to the existing competency. If they don't have a real LSD I'll probably wait until they bring one that does.
Looking forward to some real press releases on this.
i am sure lexus put together an actual team on the gsf and the product will be a lot more mature than what the isf was back in 2008
09-12-12, 09:53 AM
#103
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I am very excited about the GS-F, in fact, certainly will put this on my short list with the CLS63 and S7, but Lexus has to come correct in terms of performance and brand recognition. They did so with the IS-F and certainly with the LF-A and, IMO, cannot debut a 461hp GS-F. They border on diluting the F line. I see Infiniti IPL line all over again. Release a range topper with minimal bump in hp that doesn't adequately play in it's realm and it can cause problems down the line.
How they dilute a brand that is still establishing itself?
09-12-12, 09:54 AM
#104
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- will there be an additional mode above Sport+? No
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport? Bigger side bolster on the seats, subtle F badges here and there, 2 tones leather.
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims? Yes 20s
- will LDH/DRS be standard? Optional
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA? No
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch? 8-Speeds torque converter
- stacked quad pipes? quad side by side
- colors? same as GS350 F
- how will the interior be differentiated from the "regular" GS F-Sport? Bigger side bolster on the seats, subtle F badges here and there, 2 tones leather.
- what kind of rubber? on 20" rims? Yes 20s
- will LDH/DRS be standard? Optional
- electronic gauge cluster from LFA? No
- 8 speed transmission? Dual clutch? 8-Speeds torque converter
- stacked quad pipes? quad side by side
- colors? same as GS350 F
