Lexus LF-CC Paris Motor Show
#106
I wish production cars kept the headlight especially if they were going to be LEDs anyway. It would make car look more exotic. So far only Alfa Romeo has headlights withou housing but that will change soon with 169 debut.
#111
haha speak for yourself. the 86 handles beautifully, and with an Lexus/IS version; it would obviously be alot more luxurious and very comfortable yet retaining that fantastic handling that the 86 is becoming famous for. itll give the 3series a proper run for its money. I really want this to happen.
tbh if Lexus is serious about building its "sporty" image this should be a no brainer. Anyhow the ES fills that luxury comfortable non-sporty segment . They should make the IS a proper drivers car.
tbh if Lexus is serious about building its "sporty" image this should be a no brainer. Anyhow the ES fills that luxury comfortable non-sporty segment . They should make the IS a proper drivers car.
#112
+1
The GS despite being larger and 300 pounds heavier than the current 3 series already outhandles the 3 series on objective instrumented testing ( skidpad and slalom ).
Imagine what a lightened shortened version of that chassis ( the future IS) will do to the 3 series. It will be a massacre.
The GS despite being larger and 300 pounds heavier than the current 3 series already outhandles the 3 series on objective instrumented testing ( skidpad and slalom ).
Imagine what a lightened shortened version of that chassis ( the future IS) will do to the 3 series. It will be a massacre.
#115
+1
The GS despite being larger and 300 pounds heavier than the current 3 series already outhandles the 3 series on objective instrumented testing ( skidpad and slalom ).
Imagine what a lightened shortened version of that chassis ( the future IS) will do to the 3 series. It will be a massacre.
The GS despite being larger and 300 pounds heavier than the current 3 series already outhandles the 3 series on objective instrumented testing ( skidpad and slalom ).
Imagine what a lightened shortened version of that chassis ( the future IS) will do to the 3 series. It will be a massacre.
the new GS is no where near as connected as say a 3 series. (but the size of the GS play a HUGE part here.) With that said, thats not to say I dont have high hopes for the IS, I mean with a new/improved chassis, rear steer, corrective dampening, newer engines (come on lexus!!!) there is no reason why it shouldnt be great car. I know they'll step up, i just want them to knock that ish out the park.
Last edited by ndk83; 09-17-12 at 11:58 PM.
#117
In theory yea id rather have the 86 platform. but Im realistic, i know its most likely gonna be a shortened GS chassis.
No it probably wont. the 3 series, unfortunately, will probably still handle the best in class regardless of what the skidpad numbers say. Handling is subjective and more to do with percieved feeling of how the car connects with, and is an extension of the driver.
the new GS is no where near as connected as say a 3 series. (but the size of the GS play a HUGE part here.) With that said, thats not to say I dont have high hopes for the IS, I mean with a new/improved chassis, rear steer, corrective dampening, newer engines (come on lexus!!!) there is no reason why it shouldnt be great car. I know they'll step up, i just want them to knock that ish out the park.
No it probably wont. the 3 series, unfortunately, will probably still handle the best in class regardless of what the skidpad numbers say. Handling is subjective and more to do with percieved feeling of how the car connects with, and is an extension of the driver.
the new GS is no where near as connected as say a 3 series. (but the size of the GS play a HUGE part here.) With that said, thats not to say I dont have high hopes for the IS, I mean with a new/improved chassis, rear steer, corrective dampening, newer engines (come on lexus!!!) there is no reason why it shouldnt be great car. I know they'll step up, i just want them to knock that ish out the park.
I'm not just magazine racing here : I tested a GS350 F-Sport back to back with a 335i Sport-line with M-adaptive dampers, Lowered Sport suspension, Sport-auto transmission and the GS steered better, cornered better, had better throttle response and generally felt more connected to the road compared to the F30 335i.
The GS surprisingly drives like a much smaller car and I felt more manouverable in it compared to the 335i. The test-drive route was the same too so I could compare corner for corner.
This is the test-drive route :
That's BMW's dirty little secret and its secret shame : not only does its current 5 series handle worse that the GS, the current 3 series also handles worse than the GS. Not surprising considering that the 3 series has grown in size and is now as large as a E39 5 series.
You can't even excuse the poorer slalom times to lesser power : the 335i has better hp/torque-weight ratio and better straightline acceleration compared to the GS yet put both on the slalom and the GS walks away from the 3er.
Last edited by natnut; 09-18-12 at 01:37 AM.
#118
The bolded part is wrong actually.
I'm not just magazine racing here : I tested a GS350 F-Sport back to back with a 335i Sport-line with M-adaptive dampers, Lowered Sport suspension, Sport-auto transmission and the GS steered better, cornered better, had better throttle response and generally felt more connected to the road compared to the F30 335i.
The GS surprisingly drives like a much smaller car and I felt more manouverable in it compared to the 335i. The test-drive route was the same too so I could compare corner for corner.
This is the test-drive route :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MV3pnVRnY
That's BMW's dirty little secret and its secret shame : not only does its current 5 series handle worse that the GS, the current 3 series also handles worse than the GS. Not surprising considering that the 3 series has grown in size and is now as large as a E39 5 series.
You can't even excuse the poorer slalom times to lesser power : the 335i has better hp/torque-weight ratio and better straightline acceleration compared to the GS yet put both on the slalom and the GS walks away from the 3er.
I'm not just magazine racing here : I tested a GS350 F-Sport back to back with a 335i Sport-line with M-adaptive dampers, Lowered Sport suspension, Sport-auto transmission and the GS steered better, cornered better, had better throttle response and generally felt more connected to the road compared to the F30 335i.
The GS surprisingly drives like a much smaller car and I felt more manouverable in it compared to the 335i. The test-drive route was the same too so I could compare corner for corner.
This is the test-drive route :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MV3pnVRnY
That's BMW's dirty little secret and its secret shame : not only does its current 5 series handle worse that the GS, the current 3 series also handles worse than the GS. Not surprising considering that the 3 series has grown in size and is now as large as a E39 5 series.
You can't even excuse the poorer slalom times to lesser power : the 335i has better hp/torque-weight ratio and better straightline acceleration compared to the GS yet put both on the slalom and the GS walks away from the 3er.
and on a side note that road looks pretty sweet
Last edited by ndk83; 09-18-12 at 04:47 AM.
#120
http://www.motortrend.com/future/con...#ixzz26l9wLbcS